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QUOTE (rangercal @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:48 PM) f*** this season. 70 wins here we come. At least all the prospect lovers in the future sox forum are happy. Question: was Peavy going to solve our situation at 3rd base, where we are getting nothing? Was he going to make Alexei and Getz start hitting, and magically cure Quentin's foot? Even with Peavy, there's no guarantee this was anything more than a 83-84 win team. The Tigers are much improved this season, so it's not like getting Peavy was going to guarantee us anything. I think the prospect lovers should be happy that we have the caliber of players that could land Peavy, and that we have a GM who knows when to cash in the chips at the right time.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:44 PM) it definitely doesn't show that for certain there were people in this thread, as well as numerous beatwriters saying that Peavy would want the option picked up if he had to leave san diego, a place where it's common knowledge across all media outlets that he does NOT want to leave knowing this, how is it that somehow the white sox front office didn't know that would be a deal breaker? this could have all been a ploy that would make peavy look like the bad guy, and "we gave it our best shot" when in fact we didn't i'm not saying we should pick up his 22m option for 2013, i'm saying this shouldn't have even been a discussion between the two teams because OBVIOUSLY peavy wants that option picked up if he leaves sunny so.cal Good post..and it makes you wonder what was going on, especially with rumors that KW is open for business regarding unloading some veterans.

QUOTE (tommy @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) Do we know who the prospects were? Other than CR/AP A few other pitchers, and considering they were PTBNL, I'd have to assume it's likely either Hudson or Carter...or both.

Usually on disappointing days for the White Sox (today qualifies, I'd say), the Cubs almost always win. It's like the baseball gods kicking me when I'm down. Go for the sweep Cards!

QUOTE (tommy @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) I so went to the game... I left off on page 50 something, what's the latest news? Reports are he rejected the trade.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:34 PM) I'm over it. If Hudson was in the trade, I think it's more valuable for the Sox to have him, Richard, and Poreda for next to nothing the next 4 years than having 25% of their payroll invested in one pitcher.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) maybe nobody, but the Sox didn't win the WS with an "ace" coming into the season on paper. Not that many guys didn't pitch their career years, but a full 22m is alot to pick up. My main question is why did they even get this far if they weren't willing to pick it up? They knew he was reluctant to go to the AL, as Gammons said he was wary of LAA, Red Sox and NYY last year, so I'm not sure why the Sox thought he would just agree to a team he showed no interest in before for what he can get by sitting in San Diego for as long as he wants. I honestly don't believe JP is an ace if he's in the AL. Also, he seems to struggle a lot against lefties when I watch him pitch, and I think we all know that the AL Central has some great lefty hitters.

I don't think some people are appreciating the package that KW was willing to send, along with taking on a big financial situation. If he keeps up this mentality, we should see a stud or two wind up in Chicago.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:26 PM) Next question, who are some of those 26-28 year old starters that might be out there as options? Dan Haren, Oswalt (a little older, but could be available)

QUOTE (onedude @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:45 PM) is it wrong to wish injury on a player? Out loud, yes....privately, I hope he stays very healthy

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) They simply dont have the player to entice the Pads and dont have the money to guarantee him those years. He is SOL. This upcoming offseason possibly?

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:42 PM) its possible....either way the guy is a p**** for not wanting to play in the AL...sack up...if you are the best of the best you should prove it I received 8 texts from Cubs fans in the last 5 minutes.

QUOTE (qwerty @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:41 PM) Blessing in disguise. Couldn't agree more...now let's see what else KW has planned.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:40 PM) So we wouldnt pick up that option? What team would? The Cubs new ownership sure as s*** wont, nor do they have the pieces, the Brewers dont have the money, either does Atl. Where the f*** do you think you are going Mr Peavy I honestly believe Peavy believes the Braves or Cubs will trade for him. He will continue to be a coward until he can go to those teams. At least this saves someone from calling him the White Javy.

QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:40 PM) if its because the sox didnt want to give him that option, that is just embarassing.... No, it really isn't. Would you want possibly 25% of your payroll tied up in one player? Around that time, Danks and Quentin would be getting big change also if their careers go as we hope.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:39 PM) This could be the most embarrasing day in white sox history. 20-1 and a superstar laughs at our trade attempt. Yeah, this is not a good day for the organization. However, that 22 million dollar option is just ridiculous. By that time, Peavy's going to have a ton of milleage on that slider throwing elbow.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) He is a giant p**** who is scared of pitching outside of San Diego and the NL. If he ends up with the Cubs later this year, I will never root harder to see the initials TJS.

Let's try not to overreact. We still have a lot of payroll flexibility this makes it seem, as well as all of our pitching prospects still.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:35 PM) Well, I'm dissapointed, I think it would have been great to have that type of ace, but sounds like the Sox went as far as they were comfortable with JPINAA

So can we officially call him Jake p**** now? If not mods, I'll gladly not. Hopefully he no-hits the Cubs this weekend, and then he just sucks the rest of his career.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:29 PM) Wait, did Fathom just link a here-to-now clean player to steroids? What? Will wonders ever cease? Not necessarily for Peavy...just anyone that you give up valuable resources for, it's better to avoid the PR hit.

A friend just called and said San Diego is reporting he officially blocked the trade. No idea if it's legit.

I also hope that KW has done his research about any player he trades for, and if that player will show up on the list of the 100 or so players that tested positive during 2005.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:07 PM) Just don't throw an inside fastball to Bradley. Peavy faced the Cubs two weeks ago, and Milton hit an absolute bomb off of him. Don't get me wrong though, with everything else I've said aside, it would be exciting as hell to watch Peavy pitch every 5 days. I bet he'd be man enough to throw strikes to the #9 hitter.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:05 PM) Peavy vs Harden would be nice to see. Just don't throw an inside fastball to Bradley. Peavy faced the Cubs two weeks ago, and Milton hit an absolute bomb off of him. Don't get me wrong though, with everything else I've said aside, it would be exciting as hell to watch Peavy pitch every 5 days.