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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) Another name that I left out is AJ. I don't know if he'd have enough value to make it worthwile or not to trade him, but I kind of like keeping him around as he's a firey guy and I think would be good to have around the younger players. Yeah, keep AJP around, as Flowers isn't ready. We have got to do better with our back-up catcher than we have been. It's definitely been a weak link on this team for a while now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) Oh, I wasn't really saying they would, and your right, Wilson is legit, but thats the type of package that might just work. Like I said, I see Jenks as valuable to the Sox the next 3 years so I want a good offer to get rid of him. Angels don't really have the prospects, otherwise they'd be legit. Royals got lots of guys to like, but I don't know if they'd go for Jenks. I know they have a solid closer but it would be a major f***ing statement move by them. Drays are always an option. Maybe the best bet would be if Mariano Rivera got injured. Of course, there's a team in Chicago that could desperately need a closer if they want to keep Marmol in the 8th inning.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:01 PM) The sooner the rebuilding, the better. f*** arbitration clocks, that is bush league Exactly, if a hitter gets 2 hits in a game or a pitcher strikes someone out, we'll offer a 4 yr, 16 mil contract.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:58 PM) Danks and Floyd will be fine, Buehrle too, add a veteran via FA (1 or 2 year deal) and your in business, imo. Plus if you get one in a trade or something, even better. Thats just fine of a rotation, especially in the AL f***ING CENTRAL. Here's the thing...the Sox obviously don't have a tendency of having players come up from their minors and contribute right away. If you're counting on Beckham, Poreda, Allen next year, it's probably going to be a trying season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:56 PM) Oh ya, they are completely unobtainable. Now if they wanted Bobby Jenks, that is the type of name I ask for. For example I'd do Jenks and one of our hitters for a package around Alderson. I think the Giants at least consider it too, depending on what else is out there. Giants wouldn't do that...they have their closer in Brian Wilson (as long as he's not facing Mets). Not really sure what big time teams need a closer right now.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:53 PM) I just want to know who's going to pitch for this team for the next 3-4 years and allow us to contend. I see nothing but question marks after Buehrle and Danks (and even those guys have relative question marks). Which is why the rebuilding likely would be for two years from now and not aiming at competing next year. Very few teams can blow up their team one year and compete the next season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:48 PM) I should point out Jenks is the one guy that I don't trade unless the other team is offering at least one "special" prospect, ie a high impact potential superstar player. But if you're going all out for rebuilding (which will never happen under KW/Ozzie), why even worry about having Jenks at the end of the game? The biggest thing I've stressed to people about rebuilding is you can't be afraid to lose games. If you're going to rebuild yet hold on to certain players that have the most value, then you're just hurting yourself in the long run. Is KW really going to want to sign Jenks to a 3 year, 30-36 million dollar contract in 2 seasons?

QUOTE (shipps @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:45 PM) Seriously though,how refreshing would it be for KW to do a complete overhaul and go baby young for the rest of this year? And then make some noise in the off season with a couple signings. It's the perfect time, because I truly don't believe the fans will be upset if they blow it up now.

The scary thing about KW having any money to spend this offseason though is that he's sure to overpay for Chone.

If you get anyone to take Konerko's contract off our hands, you get rid of him. He's playing well this year, but in this market, he's severely overpaid. I like your idea of promoting Poreda, and a good spot could be as a lefty set-up man in case Jenks is traded (and Thornton moves to the closing spot). I wonder if a team like the Dodgers could be interested in Dotel or Linebrink, as their set-up men stink.

I would love to know the OBP for the #9 hitter against the Sox pitchers this year compared to our #9 hitter.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:10 PM) Wait... you aren't in full anti-Cubs mode now? You have like half the posts in the Cubs thread. This does suck right now though, no argument there. Yeah, what happened to people staying out of that thread that had nothing to add to the conversation? Poor justwin. There's a difference between posting about the game as it's going on compared to being happier when the Cubs lose than if the Sox win though.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:10 PM) You guys are throwing the words "fire" and "passion" around way too much. Its about production not if Fields has a passion filled SO. When a team sucks it looks like the dont care but that is rarely the case. When a team consistently comes out in the first inning and goes 1-2-3, it makes you question their focus.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:08 PM) And he's a garbage player. I don't care what his OPS says. If you hit under .250 you pretty much suck in my book. Sure he'll hit some doubles and can play average defense at multiple positions and draw some walks, but as a whole, he's not a good baseball player. I think he would be a good fit in the NL, but you put a team full of Swishers and they'll be a very very bad f***ing offensive team and thats why OPS + and all that OPS stuff can piss off at times. Shouldn't the argument not be about Swisher, but about the fact the package we received for him was such garbage? I have no problem with the Sox trading him, as Ozzie and company obviously didn't gel with his style.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) You are right, and it's sad. It's sad that i've reached the acceptance stage of 2009 being a failure this early. It's sad our major league roster is so bereft of talent (although I see a lot of hope and promise in our minor league system), it's sad nobody is held accountable, and it's sad our team is going to probably finish in 4th place in front of an empty ballpark this year. I'm not a fan of booing the home team, but if people boo tomorrow, I can't blame them. I'll be completely honest (and opening myself up for ridicule), but I'm about two weeks away from going into full anti-Cubs mode and hope the young guys play well for the White Sox. This has been just a dreadful baseball season since Game 2, and it's shockingly getting worse as the days go by.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:00 PM) And he's hitting something atrocious as his numbers are shooting way back down. I agree with you ont his Dick, however, I also agree something needs to be done as the management did a f***ing horrendous job and right now I see lifeless play and that is un-f***ing-acceptable. What exactly is Ozzie doing to help this team this season? He's lost so much fire, as he seems almost scared to challenge a call on the field. I know he's not going to be fired, but he can't keep sitting back with the attitude of "I'll be here longer than any of the players will, so it's their job to change". Like I mentioned before, way too much job security for members of the organization.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) We've been out scouted for years. Steve Stone could probably provide more insight on how to attack opposing hitters as well. Absolutely...our defensive positioning has also been real poor. I've noticed that Alexei seems to shade everyone up the middle, and then you have our lefty pitchers throwing change-ups to righties and there's easy singles for the opposition into the hole. The worst thing is that's probably 10th on the list of scouting failures.

Make someone accountable!! No one loses their job, no one loses their starting spot (for more than 2 games). I've never seen a team that is so scared to shake things up. Maybe it's because the coaching staff is too close or the veterans are too scared to make a recommendation. I am interested in seeing the boo-fest tomorrow at the Cell.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) We still haven't won a game in Torotno since 2007. It's crazy, as we swept the s*** out of them in 2005 there.

Time for some changes. Isn't it great that we kept Anderson in the minors for a few pointless games? Were we trying to save money on his flight to Toronto?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:17 PM) WTF did he do there that would make you say that? I would have to disagree and say he is very underrated. What does he do that's above average now?

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:12 PM) dotel and aj are f***ing worthless AJ's definitely one of the most overrated players in baseball. Pods in CF might have cost us two runs today. This team will never learn, I guess.

It would be nice if our pitchers stopped walking the f***ING #9 HITTER!

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:58 PM) Ozzie relies on his coaches ie: Cooper and Walker to be the first line in those decisions, so yes. Ozzie obviously ultimately can make any call at any time, but he delegates those decisions to his coaches for the most part. Sorry if that looked like "bashing" to you, its just reality. Just more proof that Walker has done nothing to earn a cent this season.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:57 PM) i think the reason why Wilson isnt starting is due to defense. When you are only scoring 2-3 runs per game, if lucky, you can't afford to give up another 1-2 in the field at the same time. But in that PH spot, it's the perfect chance to use his bat.