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QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 07:06 AM) I still keep having this fantasy where DePaul hires a a young, hungry, top mid-major coach or a top assistant from an elite program and picks up a couple of top-5 2011 Chicago kids and all is right in my college basketball world... Chris Collins

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 05:34 AM) The White Sox are taking the extreme approach to this recesion and are gonna play the cheap game. KW's either really good at staying under the radar, or we are not in the picture for any of these free agents. I haven't seen the Sox listed as a possible suitor by anyone.

DePaul needs to fire JW immediately. They lost to Morgan State tonight.

QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:07 AM) They're just clearing room for David Price. Doesn't mean you have to settle for a likely bench player.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:02 AM) Except Joyce isn't exactly highly touted nor has he ever shown anything too special at the minor league level. Good power numbers last year. I agree with you though, it's a brutal trade by Tampa.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:00 AM) David Cook or John Shelby? Joyce has Kevin Maas/Chris Shelton written all over him. David Cook is not thought of highly outside of this board. From what I can tell, he has no future with this organization.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:57 AM) Lets say the asking price was a toolsy major league ready outfielder. Who do the Sox even have to offer? Given what Joyce did as a 23 year old between AAA and the Bigs I think he has better value than Anderson. I'm sure in the eyes of some Brian has proven that he can not hit major league pitching. Yeah, sounds like they wanted a potential corner outfielder with power. Obviously Dye for Jackson would be a bad trade, so I guess we don't really match up.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:47 AM) meanwhile the sox still are not doing anything. If that's all it cost to get Jackson, then I'm upset we didn't go after him.

Very nice trade for Detroit. Jackson's nothing special, but he's better than throwing Robertson or Rogers out there.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:31 AM) Scott Boras is an absolute shark. Tex has very little to do with it other than being a ballplayer. I love him as a person, as everyone who was around him at GT thought the world of him. I just don't think he's worth close to the amount he's going to receive.

Mark Teixeira must do something I don't see, as there's no way he's worth this amount of money.

Doesn't he have a torn ligament in his elbow? When he pitched in the postseason, he was horrible.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 10:42 PM) It seems the Marlins are looking for catching for Hermida... what about a package involving Lucy? Lucy is not a prospect

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 11:28 PM) I may be off on that, but I read somewhere that both Marshall and Pie were out of options. I thought it was Marshall and Cedeno

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 11:19 PM) He seems too much like Darin Erstad for me. A guy who will play more than he should, plus he's not the defender he used to be. And gets injured all the time.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 10:50 PM) All I'm saying is that a few starting pitchers that we've had over the past such as Esteban Loaiza and more recently John Danks, learnt the cutter, because their fastball wasn't really enough of a strikeout pitch to begin with, and from reading Marquez's stuff, he seems like a perfect candidate. Danks I'll give you. Loaiza had something else going on it seems like.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) pfff nobody on the yankees throws an above average cutter Haha, well said (Mariano, Pettitte)

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) Interesting note today by Rosenthal about J.J. Putz, which might tell us what the market would be for Jenks: Cardinals have offered Rick Ankiel and a prospect for Putz. Now maybe Putz is more valuable than Jenks (older but with better velocity), but that's a pretty good return. Ankiel's a good ballplayer. Ankiel's a free agent after this year, I believe.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 10:34 PM) I'd potentially disagree with that. Viciedo could still contribute in 2009 at some point IMO, and may produce better than what Swisher did. Josh Fields IF healthy, could outproduce Crede / Uribe. And we've arugbly jettisoned 2 weak links in Swisher and Vazquez from the team. All depends on what KW does from here on out though. As much as I hate Vazquez, you'd have to say he'd be significantly better in 2009 than Marquez.

QUOTE (MO2005 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:22 PM) Jerry please all I want for Christmas is for you to sell the Whitesox!! I am tired of seeing you eat up all the revenue and giving Kenny 0 to spend. Please Please Please! Put somebody who actually wants a team from the third largest city in the US and is willing to treat it that way. Spend money win championships! I really feel sorry for Kenny sometimes, it is not his fault! We've had a huge payroll the past few seasons. Don't start acting like Cubs fans where they complain about their payroll even though it's near the top of the entire league.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) Are all the people pissed about the off-season so far the same ones asking for the team to be blown up for pretty much all of the 2007-2008 seasons? Not I. The only ones I wanted gone after last season were Vazquez and Thome. I wanted the Sox to look into trading Dye for a legit starting pitcher, and then move Quentin to RF and put Swisher in LF.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Wow. I need to get some Jim Beam Club season tickets. Adding those two will make those seats just like courtside Bulls tickets when Jordan was winning championships. You know I'm not satisfied with how this offseason is shaping up, as you and I get more pissed off at KW's whining about not having $1 to spend than anyone else.

QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:14 PM) You make a great point and I completely agree with you, I really do, but I'm not looking to finish in third place. Not saying that's what you meant, just saying that that's not the bar we should look to set each year. The team needs to improve from last season, as it's almost impossible to imagine the Tigers being worse than they were last year, as well as the likely improvement of the Indians (with an actual closer). The Twins, for the first time in forever, didn't lose any main contributors, and Liriano should be stronger than he was last year. It's a very competitive division.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:12 PM) The talk where exactly? The Marlins asked for 2 pitching prospects from the Rays out of a group including Niemann and Wade Davis. The Cubs simply dont have that as the Marlins already took their top pitching prospect. A Tampa executive who stayed back in Durham.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:06 PM) Just what I feared....f***ing brutal. Be patient, things will pick up now with C.C. signing. My prediction now is we sign F. Garcia and J. Hairston Jr.