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QUOTE (MO2005 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:22 PM) Jerry please all I want for Christmas is for you to sell the Whitesox!! I am tired of seeing you eat up all the revenue and giving Kenny 0 to spend. Please Please Please! Put somebody who actually wants a team from the third largest city in the US and is willing to treat it that way. Spend money win championships! I really feel sorry for Kenny sometimes, it is not his fault! We've had a huge payroll the past few seasons. Don't start acting like Cubs fans where they complain about their payroll even though it's near the top of the entire league.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) Are all the people pissed about the off-season so far the same ones asking for the team to be blown up for pretty much all of the 2007-2008 seasons? Not I. The only ones I wanted gone after last season were Vazquez and Thome. I wanted the Sox to look into trading Dye for a legit starting pitcher, and then move Quentin to RF and put Swisher in LF.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Wow. I need to get some Jim Beam Club season tickets. Adding those two will make those seats just like courtside Bulls tickets when Jordan was winning championships. You know I'm not satisfied with how this offseason is shaping up, as you and I get more pissed off at KW's whining about not having $1 to spend than anyone else.

QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:14 PM) You make a great point and I completely agree with you, I really do, but I'm not looking to finish in third place. Not saying that's what you meant, just saying that that's not the bar we should look to set each year. The team needs to improve from last season, as it's almost impossible to imagine the Tigers being worse than they were last year, as well as the likely improvement of the Indians (with an actual closer). The Twins, for the first time in forever, didn't lose any main contributors, and Liriano should be stronger than he was last year. It's a very competitive division.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:12 PM) The talk where exactly? The Marlins asked for 2 pitching prospects from the Rays out of a group including Niemann and Wade Davis. The Cubs simply dont have that as the Marlins already took their top pitching prospect. A Tampa executive who stayed back in Durham.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:06 PM) Just what I feared....f***ing brutal. Be patient, things will pick up now with C.C. signing. My prediction now is we sign F. Garcia and J. Hairston Jr.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:06 PM) No they wont, the Marlins were asking for some of the top prospects from the Rays, all of which are better than Marshall. The talk is that it would be Marshall, Atkins, and another prospect. I saw what you read about Wade Davis, fat boy, etc. Hermida would be a good fit for Chicago if they're looking to not increase their payroll.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:02 PM) Just logged on.....anything else going on besides minor Dye-to-Reds talk? With the Sox, absolutely nothing

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 07:58 PM) Marquez, Betemit,Nunez,Gimore, Rodriquez, Flowers Lillbridge, Nix, Viciedo. Van Bendenschoten. Am I missing somebody? That's not nobody, my friend. He was talking about 2009 Major League talent, I'm sure...and I only see one person on that list (Betemit)

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 06:47 PM) i can't believe how quiet our club has been during these meetings...the only rumor with any substance was the dye for bailey one, and that was shot down really quickly....even with free agents, Rock has said KW has been talking to some, but who? Bruce levine said the sox might go after some mid level free agents (in the area of 5 or 6 mil), but who is out there at that price that we would want? We'll see, but I was expecting KW to make some more moves cuz right now our team has some enormous holes (2b CF 3b....im fine going young at one or two spots, but not all three, and two holes in the rotation... which im fine having richard marquez or poreda fill one, but not two) You'll be happy to know that if the Cubs don't trade Marshall in the Peavy deal, they'll use him to get Hermida from the Marlins. Hendry really must have naked pictures of these other GMs he deals with, as I can't believe teams actually want Jason Marquis.

The White Sox will sign Jerry Hairston Jr. to leadoff and play CF.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 03:49 AM) Are you willing to take the chance that it will continue? At his age, I'm not. For the remainder of his contract, yes

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 03:33 AM) What does it say about you as a player when you're a 28 year old who's still considered an unproven youngster? I'm going to tell my boss I'm an unproven youngster next time I have an issue.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 03:29 AM) Lets here it. I meant to say it's not dead weight. Marty's probably just another person who overvalues prospects and undervalues actual big league players.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 04:20 AM) Explain your reasoning? Cause that 33 million is not dead weight. We're not talking about Barry Zito, Jose Contreras, etc. People on this site undervalue our players so much.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 03:54 AM) All the negative talk about cutting payroll is funny. If we could get rid of Dye, Konerko, and Thome and get nothing in return except the ~$33M off the payroll, I don't think anyone on this board would object. I completely disagree

QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 03:42 AM) fathom seriously, this whole climate of economics is changing by the day. Another 50k jobs jsut got whacked today. Everyday there will be more. This is the time to go young. believe me I ahte all this young crap, but it makes excellent business sense. JR is smart. By the way didn't he make his money in realestate, banking? Both of those suck. Just saying. well said

Once again, KW mentions we're at our payroll limit. Let's hope he's bluffing, or else something strange happened to JR's finances.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:31 AM) It wont be. So you think a FA, trade acquisition, or Owens?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:28 AM) I feel exactly the opposite. So you think we need to add pitching, and no offense? You know Anderson won't be starting in CF, so you think we're fine with Owens in CF and Getz at 2b?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:29 AM) thats not what I've heard. I heard he had a bad year due to injuries and such but the talent is there. The people that I've talked to thought he could be a pretty good hitter in the majors. The people who saw him in the Internantional League were stunned by how weak his bat was.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:28 AM) I'd gladly take Jason Heyward from them.. the guy is a stud. I'll gladly trade my wife for Jessica Alba...it's not going to happen.

I could understand the pitching staying the same. However, it would be a travesty if there were no offensive additions.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:57 AM) Lillibridge has more than "moderate" speed. He's an ideal defensive replacement, pinch runner.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 01:51 AM) I'm starting to think it's going to be Lillibridge. I've been watching the kid, and i think assuming he has a good spring training Ozzie's gonna fall in love with the guy. Let's hope he's not. No offense, but everyone looks good on their highlight videos. People that saw him live last year thought he was one of the worst hitters in the league.