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QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 08:25 PM) I simply don't understand posts like these. We need better players. Rowand is a great cneter fielder and a great person in the clubhouse, and look what he's done in recent years. You can't tell me you'd be happier with Jerry Owens playing center. Only drawback is leadoff. Will we get a leadoff hitter? If we can get ANYONE decent to lead off, I will be VERY happy if Rowand is signed. When you have a 3/4/5 that can hit 120 homers combined, leadoff is such an overrated position. Why can't we just have Thome leadoff?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 08:21 PM) A .230 AVG with a .289 OBP and 1 steal and not exactly stellar with the glove doesn't make him a sure bet. He has shown flashes of brilliance, but a lot of guys do. He will need to improve a lot to be a contirbuting regular on a good major league team. For comparisons sake, Brian Anderson hit .225 with a .290 OBP in 2006 and most people thing he should be stocking oranges at Jewel. Don't forget that Richar will be useless against a lot of pitchers in our division (tough lefties).

QUOTE(juddling @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 08:16 PM) in the Sun-Times De Luca mentions the Marlins were looking for a catching prospect which the Sox didn't have to offer. They were waiting for a counteroffer from the Marlins when the quick deal was announced. If that is how it happened, if you like KW or not....there wasn't much he could do. He's sitting in his room waiting for a call back when he hears about the deal. You can't make the other teams deal with you. IIRC, i read somewhere that the Sox and Hunter all but signed a deal when Hunter flew out to keep his meeting with the Angels. then...BAM...the deal is done. Again....what could KW do???? he's makes an offer..if Hunter or Cabrera came back to KW and said 'Hey..this is what i was offered by Detroit. Want to beat this??" and the Sox declined then that would be one thing but i think twice now KW thought he had a deal all but done then Poof it was gone. Sure there's stuff he could have done. It's not like Rubelo is a big prospect. He could have traded Crede for a catching prospect. Of course, we would have had a lot more to trade with if not for the stupid, in hindsight, Garland for a one year SS when we already have Uribe on the books.

I wish we could wait 2 weeks before deciding who to try and sign. The Mitchell Report could play prominently with some of these free agents left.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 03:58 PM) Rowand's a pretty good player but I'd like to see a leadoff hitter acquired, and with Quentin now on the roster, CF is the only spot for a leadoff hitter. So I guess I'd rather have Fukudome, unless there's a belief he won't be able to handle playing CF and is more of a corner. The Cubs are going to sign Fukudome!

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 03:42 PM) If the money were the same -- which I think it could be -- I'd much rather have Andruw Jones over Rowand. I don't think there's a chance in hell Jones will get that little per year.

According to Bruce Levine, this is the most recent update regarding the Sox and Rowand. Also, the Sox are still interested in DeJesus.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:39 AM) If rowand would sign with the sox for 4 years 48 Mil would you do it? Yes

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:32 AM) Pass on him why? Because he would fill the leadoff hole and the CF hole? He would be a perfect fit. And Fath, Bailey was the youngest player in the league this year, he will improve. My brother saw him a lot in AAA, and said he wasn't topping 90 mph when he was there. I think people are really puzzled as to what happened to his velocity.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:32 AM) Our team is snakebit. If we trade Crede, Josh will turn out to be a sieve at third base. If we keep Crede and trade Josh, Josh will turn into a 40 homer guy every year. That said ... why not keep Crede? p.s. Rowand is going to help the Royals big time. I have no respect for Rowand if he goes to the Royals just because they would give him another year on a contract.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:33 AM) Well with the way Fields handled LF in the last 20 games or so, I can see why the Sox may have been a bit apprehensive about giving the LF spot, especially after the debacle that was Scott Podsednik defensively. Quentin is a pretty damn good defender, and too good for LF really. Yep, and it's inexcusable that Dye's not getting shifted to LF.

I hated what I saw from Bailey this year. His velocity basically disappeared.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:13 AM) Where would Quentin play under that scenario? You wouldn't have made that trade....I like Quentin, but it's amazing the expectations people have for him right now.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 05:06 AM) I was thinking that to myself, what could we possibly package to get Hamilton and Homer Bailey? You won't get Bailey, but if you trade Gio, Aardsma, and Sweeney, you might get a have a chance for Hamilton.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:51 AM) What was KW to do to get Cabrera? Maybe blame him years ago, because it would take a few years to build our Minors to match Det's offer. or he could have traded Garland for some good prospects.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:47 AM) Thats what im saying. It would benefit us all. I like being able to move up. I enjoyed it in 05 actually. Come on, you know the last thing we need is a decrease in attendance, as it will lower our payroll.

With KW making the decision that Fields won't play LF during winter ball, and that his future is only at 3b, it's really disappointing that KW didn't have a better plan for Crede. At this point, we'd be better off to let Crede play 3b, and put Fields in LF.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:36 AM) What good is a farm system when we cannot sign them to a second contract? We get a guy MLB ready, he plays a couple seasons, hits his stride and then he's too expensive for us to sign. I completely disagree with this. The most success we've had with signing guys is when they're already under contract. Basically, it's Hahn's specialty.

QUOTE(soxfan3530 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 03:43 AM) Is Corey Hart still on the Brewers? If so, i could see him in this deal more than Hall Wow, this might be the funniest post of the night (no offense)

Gwynn Jr. wouldn't even be in the majors if not for who his father is.

There's some talk that the Cubs are trying to get either Bedard or Brian Roberts. If the Cubs were to sign Fukudome (which all along, I've been told it's 95 pct likely) and then trade for Roberts, you're looking at a terrific offensive team.

The solution is simple: the Tigers want to sign Cabrera to an extension, and we need a CF. Can we trade Ozzie for Granderson?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 11:36 PM) How did he get his clock cleaned exactly? We dont even know if we were even in on the bidding, it could have been fodder by Fla. We also dont even have close to the top tier talent that Detroit just gave away. You cant buy a 50 dollar steak with 10 bucks, no matter how great you think you are. Good thing we keep going cheap in the draft, and the Tigers keep overpaying for top talent. At least JR and Bud will stay friends.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 11:18 PM) KW has now got played by Hunter and the Marlins he must like the feeling of getting used! We have no idea what really went on there. I'm not upset about this at all....the Tigers basically gave up the farm. Kudos to them.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 11:17 PM) This is so disheartening. Unless half of the Tigers show up in the Mitchell report, I feel like we have already lost. We can no longer be buyers, no way. And hell, it will hard to even be sellers. The Tigers not only have talent, they have young talent. There's a great chance that some of their superstars will show up on that list.