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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:27 PM) So let me get this straight. We cant fire walker because he is a great hitting coach, best in the league if you ask the sox. We have these stellar hitters who suddenly as a group have decided not to hit. So what is it. Slumps do not affect entire teams, and affect people for almost a month and a half. Hitting is an individual endevor. Sure a good hititng guy behind you can allow you to see better pitchers. But the rag tag group of Cy Young guys who have shut this team down have blown. The thing is, the at-bats are awful. I can hardly even think of any really hard outs we've hit into. If jphat was still around, not even he could say we're not getting lucky. If anything, the opposition has hit into a lot of hard hit outs lately in big spots.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) Dye-Konerko-Thome-Crede-Iguchi-AJ Perz are all above averegae hitters. The others maybe are average What are the standards for being considered above average? I have a hard time stating that Crede and AJP are above average. Also, if you say they're above average, then guys like Pods, Uribe, and Erstad are below average.

Don't worry though, Aaron Cunningham is on his way to help us. Our 2nd best offensive talent in the minors right now is 2 for his last 28.

3 hits in 7 innings vs De La Rosa. QUOTE(elrockinMT @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:18 PM) Team slump not an indication though of how good we can be. I ain't happy either, but you gotta believe they will come out of it. Right now for the most part our pitching is keeping us in there and hopefull the bats come around. I wish people would stop talking about how great our offensive talent is. Even with Thome healthy, you still only have 3 above average hitters. The offense was hot for a 2 month stretch last year. Besides that, they've been average at best over the last 350 games or so.

Sweeney's swing looks horrendous against lefties. It looks like he has no chance to hit a ball hard to right field from that angle. QUOTE(elrockinMT @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:15 PM) This teams offense is pathetic as all get out that's for sure. I watched the game last night on WGN and Hawk and DJ both were saying they have never seen a team hitting slump last this long or involve the whole team like this. These are the same clowns who said all last year how they've never seen a team go so long without going on a roll like the Sox did last year. It could be game 162 this year, and they'll still think we're going to break out of it.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:09 PM) Buck has been okay this year and Crosby was very good his rookie season, but they haven't produced position players like they did 7-8 years ago....with Hernandez, Giambi, Tejada, Durazo, Chavez, as well as trades for Dye and Damon. I still would take our offense going forward over the A's, but it's only due to my hopes that Thome will come back at full health. Their offense in the past was based on steroids.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:07 PM) Atleast there aren't many tough lefthanded pitchers within the American League central to worry about. I'm sure you remember how many times I said this same exact thing this offseason. One could argue that Ozzie really screwed up in putting Toby at first base during ST, and then not keeping Perez on the roster.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:04 PM) If we want to compete without an offense we need to petition Selig to move the sox to the NL right now. The American league hits, and no matter how good your pitching is eventually you will need your offense to man up and score you some runs. The fact that they keep talking about flipping f***ing baseball cards and all is well is dumb. The offense is getting worse, the Royals got torched last week and our pedestrian offense is making them look great. Most of our games have been against the lowest scoring teams in baseball. No way this pitching performs as well as they have when we face teams like the Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, etc. At this point, I just want to watch some exciting baseball, as I think we have no prayer to top the Tigers in the standings this year. QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 13, 2007 -> 08:05 PM) And the A's are virtually our mirror image...great pitching and lousy offense. Except when they call up people from the minors, they get instant contributions.

Here's are hit totals against lefty starters this year: 8, 1, 1, 5, 5, 5, 4, 5 That's an average of 4.25 Translation = we suck

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:55 PM) Talent-wise, yes. Not even the most pessimistic of people thought our offense would be this atrocious, and I wouldn't mind being proven wrong if anyone made any off-season posts stating so. Execution-wise, no, there aren't enough negative words to describe the offense. Looks like the worst in baseball offensively. And if you just mean today's lineup, it's party due to injuries, but I agree that we still should not look this atrocious. There were a few of us begging for upgrades. KW deserves so much blame for not bringing in a leadoff hitter who can play against righties and lefties. And please don't give me the whole....who would you have brought in? I have no clue who was available, but the GM's job is supposed to be to find players that can fit into the holes you have. Under no circumstances should Barbaro have been brought back to play LF and leadoff.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) Damn. Normally I would be happy to win the series, but @ home against the Royals, I don't think that way. If we play like we have this series, we're going 0-6 next week.

How can anyone justify changes not being made?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:50 PM) Just to add on to this point with what I think is a more important argument...if the White Sox want to be a better team next year than this year, and have room to bring in someone in FA like an Ichiro who fills a real obvious need, or even just to hold on to some of our guys like MB, the Sox really need to have a couple of young guys to bring in other than just Danks. The only way we can afford to bring in an Ichiro is if we get some success out of Anderson, Sweeney, Fields, and some of our pitchers. If we can't get these young guys to succeed, we don't have the money to buy our way around those failures. We're not going to get Ichiro. Considering we're more than likely going young at many other positions, bringing in an aging veteran who hasn't helped his team win in a few years isn't what we need. I'd rather save the money and try to trade for some guys who might be free agents in a year or two, and lock them up to contract extensions.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) Yes you are. The Royals suck and the Sox are hurting. Any chance Zambrano doesn't dominate us next week? I really don't like how we match up with the Cubs right now.

So I guess Soriano, Lilly, Marquis, and Meche all were great signings this offseason?

If there was ever a player the Sox called up that I thought could hit .000 over a 2 month span, it was definitely Molina. What a f***ing joke. QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) Yes you are. The Royals suck and the Sox are hurting. I meant with the Sox guys out....basically, the lineups we see out there today.

Am I being overly negative when I say the Royals have just as much talent in their lineup as the Sox do? I'm so disappointed in KW for not doing more to help this offense.

So not only is Vazquez's fastball down 3 mph, he has no command of it. What in the f*** is going on with the velocity? Buehrle now throws just as fast as Vazquez and Contreras.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:34 PM) Game. Worst series win I've ever experienced. The Yankees are going to outscore us 30-2 this week. And our recent wins have definitely made everyone's job safe sadly.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:33 PM) Way to go Javy....looking REAL sharp today. Funny thing is we have no one warming up either.

Well, that was bound to happen. Good thing Ozzie went out to talk to him. We suck (and I still despise the Chris Young trade!).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:26 PM) Tadahito may well be pricing himself right back into something the White Sox could afford. We need to go in a new direction....especially with someone who's not a joke vs LHP.

Javy continues to leave everything up, and the Royals are about to get the lead back. One of my biggest pet peeves during the Ozzie era is how flat we seem to come out the next game after a dramatic win the night before.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 13, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) I really can't figure out how the offense has taken such a dive between this year and last. It happened during the entire 2nd half of last season. We're relying on a bunch of older players to match their totals from the previous years. From the sound of it, I'll be surprised if Thome is 100 pct the rest of this season for an extended period.

Well, not a promising start to this inning.