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QUOTE(Phil McKrevice @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 03:12 AM) No way Sox recover from this loss. What a great way to send off Buehrle. Yep, when this season is over, we're going to look back at tonight as the turning point of the season.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 03:10 AM) If Buckvich isn't sent down tonight, KW should be fired. He cannot pitch at this level. If the Sox keep any Royals rejects on the roster, again KW should be fired. My gawd. Let tonight's game be the one that drains the Cell of fans the rest of the season. WOW! What a disgrace. I'll continue to say that's an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 03:08 AM) If he were consistently at 93-95 mph since 2005 it'd be different. But considering his past injury history and a continuous drop in velocity season to season (not to mention his second half struggles last year), I just can't assume it'll suddenly stop entering 2008. And the fact that he can't even be relied on to go 2 innings or in a tie game.

What a pathetic team. The next 48 hours aren't going to be fun for this organization. If anything, maybe blowing this game was a positive, as people won't believe this team is turning the corner. I wonder if Ozzie will blame Fields.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:59 AM) He is represented by Boras, which is why the Sox probably won't even talk to Patterson but I'd still love for it to happen. Some team will give him the chance to start every day.

Well, good thing we pitched to Millar with an open base.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:54 AM) The confrontation with Bagwell in the WS was epic. He was just throwing gas. It's the closest thing you'll ever see to a Ricky Vaughn impersonation from the last batter in Major League.

Haha...good job pitching to Millar with the open base. Bobby Jenks has nothing these days.

Such a pathetic team....how come no one has ever been called out for how poorly we hold runners on?

It's sad to see Jenks turn into a slider/curve pitcher now. If you go back and watch the 2005 DVD, it's a completely different pitcher.

Orioles gave Jenks a lot of problems last year.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:43 AM) I haven't seen anyone overrate Reyes in more than a year. And that lasted about a week following his one-hitter against the Sox. Trust me, just about every trade proposal involving the Cards on this site has Reyes involved.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:44 AM) According to KW, they are going to sign him, thats the most recent report. I think they announce Mark is signed tomorrow. Is that the article on chicagosports right now?

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:38 AM) I did read the 1st post Where did you see this? QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:40 AM) That is my biggest fear that we trade Buehrle and in return get some players the other team just wants to get rid of. All I know is that if KW feels like he tried his best to sign Buehrle, and failed....he better not reject any trade where a 72 hour window is included. There's no point in not giving the team that option, and likely a better package, if you know he's not coming back here.

Holy cow, Buckvich is throwing some miserable pitches to the plate. Hell, I'd rather see MacDougal, at least he can be tough to hit sometimes.

I just pray that there's nothing to that terrible Cards rumor. I'm sure though that if the Cards think they can get him for 5/70 now, they'll try and trade again.

Well, I think it's quite obvious he's gone in the next 48-72 hours. Thanks for everything Mark.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:19 AM) What does that have to do with anything? And who's fault is it that the team wont make the playoffs while he's here? I'm just saying that one player shouldn't decide the future of this organization on the field and off the field. If we had offensive personnel like the Indians, where you have some young guys who will be around for a few more years, then re-signing Buehrle would be a crucial decision. However, there's way too many holes to worry about Buehrle staying or leaving. Who's to say we won't be a better team with that 14 million spent elsewhere?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:19 AM) What does that have to do with anything? And who's fault is it that the team wont make the playoffs while he's here? I'm just saying that one player shouldn't decide the future of this organization on the field and off the field. If we had offensive personnel like the Indians, where you have some young guys who will be around for a few more years, then re-signing Buehrle would be a crucial decision. However, there's way too many holes to worry about Buehrle staying or leaving. Who's to say we won't be a better team with that 14 million spent elsewhere?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:16 AM) Why do you say that? Reyes is exactly the opposite of the type of pitcher Kenny has targeted the past six months. Partly because of how well he pitched against us, and partly because how everyone loves him on here. I've always said that Reyes and Aybar are the two most overrated players on this site.

QUOTE(max power @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:13 AM) You are pessimistic. Who knows what will happen this offseason and next. We're way behind the Tigers and Indians in terms of talent right now, and if Liriano comes back even close to what he was, we're in a ton of trouble. QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:16 AM) Fathom... Trade winds

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:06 AM) Even though said player was going to sign for under his market value and only wanted career security for himself and his family? KW seems concerned that if they give the NTC to Buehrle, then other players will want it when either trying to re-sign them or in the free agent market. I understand where he's coming from. I don't care what happens though, it would still be a travesty if people stop supporting this team just because one player isn't brought back. We were on cloud nine when PK re-signed, and from the looks of it, he's not going to lead us to the playoffs during his new contract.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:07 AM) If that's the deal we get in return, I quit life. The scary thing is that I'm sure KW and company overrate Reyes so much.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:01 AM) Nice, we got 3 hrs. wow. If we trade Mark, I wish I could say I would boycott the Sox forever. I hope a lot of fans do, but I probably can't stay away. No offense, but anyone who wants fans to boycott is an idiot. Nothing like our payroll being cut in half because people don't understand how the market works. QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 02:02 AM) Terrero has a very HBP heavy OBP. It's ludicrous, but I'm actually excited about Andy Gonzalez. He may not be able to hit much, but he walks. I really think he can take Cintron's place as a utility guy next season and allow a few million to be used somewhere else. If he can just play semi-passable at SS and 2B. I'd like to see him play there more this season. I'm scared though that they might think he can start at 2b or SS next year.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 01:50 AM) 6-2 3 2-run HRs...Thome, Uribe, Fields Where did you get that rumor of the Buehrle trade? Please, let it not be true.