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With Pods back, we'll see enough weak grounders on the infield, so I don't care about seeing Sweeney back for a while. I'd like to see Gio and Richar.

Buehrle, Contreras, Thornton, Mackowiak, Dye

Hughes, Gallardo and Homer Bailey are the three untouchable pitching prospects in baseball. Joba and Kennedy are much more realistic. I'd take Melky and Kennedy for Buehrle.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:43 PM) I'd vastly rather him be sent down if they're desperate to make a change. But really, if he's already in the big leagues, and we've already written off the season, what's the harm in letting him work out his control problem next to Cooper? The worst part of that idea IMO might be that it could be rushing Floyd back to the big leagues when he's just finding himself a rhythm at AAA while at the same time screwing with Danks' confidence. And hell, I still hate the idea of putting a starter like Danks in the pen in general. I had a big problem with them not letting him try and qualify for a win last game. I understood the decision against the Phillies to pull him one out before qualifying, but I was more annoyed last game when he was around 89 pitches. What's the harm in seeing if he has the guts to get a big out to get to the plateau?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:27 PM) That would be an awful idea. Absolutely awful. Throw some strikes today and shut Fathom's mouth John. Please. Oh trust me, I hate the idea. However, Ozzie has been making comments recently about Danks that makes me wonder how much longer they'll let him go out there and throw 100 pitches in 5 innings before making a change.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) The two draft picks would undoubtably be better than that -- it's a lousy trade for the Sox. But no team will give up even a single top 40 prospect for Buehrle and KW wants "major league ready" players. To me, that means mediocre youngish veterans (not that Heilman is young). I just think Sox fans are tremendously overestimating the market for Buehrle. Are you trying to be as pessimistic as possible about the trade packages? I'm one of the biggest supporters of bashing stupid message board trade proposals, but it seems like you're going out of your way to make the trade options seem as bad as possible. I guarantee you that you're underestimating what Buehrle can bring back in a trade.

QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 08:57 PM) Fathom, would you pay Zambrano more and/or give more years than Buehrle? Just curious what you think. I wouldn't -- better stuff, but too unstable, and I think he's prone to injury. I would give the money/years to Buehrle. However, I think it's hard for KW to judge things right now because he has no clue how much payroll he'll free up with the trades. If we do lose these guys, expect us to be in the running for Zambrano as a way to make it look like we're not slashing our payroll/rebuilding.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 07:19 PM) Lets try to get out of the 5th inning today, John. If he struggles today, I could see him moving to the bullpen and Floyd getting called up.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 06:46 PM) Has there been any confirmation from either side that the deal being talked about is NOT 5 years? Nope, and with that in mind, I believe Buerhle's agent thinks he can get him a 7 year deal. Something that no one is talking about is that if the Sox don't bring back Buehrle and create more salary space by getting rid of Contreras and/or Garland, they could very well be players for Zambrano this offseason.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 05:57 PM) .213 BA, .302 OBP, .365 SLG, .668 OPS He's been terrible. He'd fit right in with those numbers. I think he's going to be a good hitter, and would gladly take him over someone like Wily Mo.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:40 PM) I've seen nothing about Porcello signing with the Tigers ... ? Gammons said last night they were close to giving him Josh Beckett money.

Do whatever it takes to free up that money.

The Cubs....their Soriano deal completely screwed up the market.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 03:35 AM) You shouldn't worry. The market for Buehrle as an expensive rental isn't great. If KW makes the best trade he can make here, he'll only be able to get 2 B prospects. So it's not like this is a deal that can save the franchise. I disagree with this....a shrewd GM could get one or two top-notch prospects for someone like Buehrle.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 03:10 AM) and he loves the sox because we have developed so many great players? I actually believe you about your source, but I do not think GM's actaully do alot of scouting. I think they put a plan forward and have there best people execute the plan. I think the sox scouts are mediocre at best and I also think there are not enough of them. Its the system that fails not necesarily the GM. He loves the Sox because he grew up in the south suburbs.

Can I answer Jim Thome for both?

Cool...we can continue to play with a 24 man roster.

His D has been just fine so far....why do people make it sound like it's been a major issue?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:36 AM) Buerhle Iguchi Pedroia Pena #2 or #3 best BoSox SP prospect Am I the only one who thinks that'd be a horses*** trade? Did you just make that up? It would be a bad trade.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:18 AM) I think the deal will be Crisp and Hansen. And, yes, that would be a bad trade. At least it should be fun reading back over the posts where people demanded 3 top 20 prospects for Buehrle. If it's Crisp and Hansen, then I don't see how KW will still be the Sox's GM after the season ends.

Boston might be more willing to give up more for Buehrle because then they'll be able to re-sign him before teams like the Yankees or Mets can get their bids in.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:12 AM) probably... him, Verlander, and Miller will own us for a while... and Bonderman

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:13 AM) If/when we trade Buerhle, you can pretty much eliminate the White Sox from being a serious contender in the AL Central until/unless some of their younger arms - John Denks for one - steps up, and helps fill Buerhle's missing numbers. We know what Vazquez is, and that's a #4 starter. Garland seems to be getting better still, though he'll never be better than a #2 and somewhere in the #2-#3 range. Contreras has a good outing here and there, but he might be 40+ years old. With the rotation that Detroit has, barring injuries, they are the team to beat for the forseeable future, and Cleveland is right behind them. With or without Buehrle, that's true. That's why you try and trade these guys for some young prospects, and not focus on the next 2-3 years.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:12 AM) Iguchi is a terrible defensive 2B. His arm strength is all but gone and he has no range to speak of not to mention all the odd mental mistakes he seems to make out there. One of those things that I don't even know how people can argue otherwise.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:11 AM) Thome & Konerko - yes. Dye is old and looks older all the time. Iguchi freaking blows. AJ looks to pull every freaking pitch. He is a good catcher, but not the most talented hitter. Dye and Iguchi were the two best offensive players at their position in the AL last year. And if AJ is pulling everything, then isn't that Greg Walker's job to get him fixed? If anything, AJ is a poor defensive catcher, but a talented hitter.