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QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:08 AM) Thome, Konerko, A.J., Dye, and Iguchi do not qualify as real talent? There's no point in the arguing this anymore. Greg Walker has one job, and the results from his job are terrible this year.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 02:03 AM) Looks like indeed we'll have to add Porcello. No shock...that team's going to be phenomenal. Miller was throwing 96 mph in the 6th inning.

I was telling Cubs fans before the series that the Sox suck, and I'll just repeat that tomorrow.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:15 AM) Ozzie He could kill someone, and he'd still get GPratt's support.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:17 AM) I wouldn't be surprised to see Craig Hansen involved in any deal. He's got some scary-bad numbers. Lowrie/Kottaras/Hansen, here we come!

If you want to get really drunk on a Sunday night, take a shot for every time Joe Morgan goes out of his way to praise a minority.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:13 AM) First pick here we come! From what I have heard about Pedro Alvarez, I so hope we get the no. 1 pick. I want us to get the worst record. Indeed. This weekend was the last time I really cared if we won or lost.

Are there even any rumors as to who VKM's killer might be? I saw my 8 year old cousin last weekend, and he was distraught about Vince's passing.

BTW, it's too bad UC-Irvine didn't face Oregon St in the finals. The Beavers-'Eaters scoreboard would have been a classic. Also, the Verlander/Bonderman/Miller trio is going to be just filthy.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:03 AM) Cough Arod Cough. Well Arod is still the best player in the game. In a Sunday Night game a month ago, Joe Morgan gave a 5 minute speech about why Sheffield is not only the best hitter in the game, but also the best clubhouse person and possibly deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 01:01 AM) My guess is there was some debate...Shaffer was backing ring, most of the org was backing Blanton but the org let Shaffer make the call and he opted with his guy (afterall while Kenny has the final call, when it came to the draft Shaffer really was the guy who for the most part is making the call). I just know one thing...I freaking loved the way the draft worked out for the club this year. Now this is from a 100 pct accurate source....the 3rd round pick of the Sox was supposedly told by the Cubs and Devil Rays he'd be picked in the 2nd room. He was upset that he wasn't picked in the 2nd round, but he was thrilled when the team he loves picked him in the 3rd.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:57 AM) John Schuerholz is such an interesting and amazing guy. It must have pained Joe Morgan to say that Pujols was the best hitter, and not Gary Sheffield.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:56 AM) That seems awful shady. If Kenny and the org told the Shaffer to take Blanton and he took another guy than I think he'd have been fired on the spot. It's going to be interesting to see if either KW or Shaffer start trying to justify things in the media.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:54 AM) How about Weeks and Braun for Buehrle and Iguchi? A little less lopsided. You're not going to get either guy for Buehrle, and throwing in a terrible defensive 2nd baseman who's a FA after this year isn't going to help. I bet the Brewers are scouting the Sox for Thornton.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:24 AM) I would trade Buehrle straight up for Gallardo, but besides that the Brewers dont have many prospects im interested in. Maybe if they soured on Weeks a deal with him and Braun would be good. But I doubt that will happen even moreso than I expect to get Gallardo. Week and Braun for Buehrle? Interesting

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:18 AM) Yes, he should. And if that's not enough, he also should quit if he is the person that provided you with the Rowand "agreement" rumor. No no, totally different person. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:21 AM) I don't get where you are going with this. The best GM's in the game who know their system in and out almost never see their 1st round picks in person before they pick them. KW has never been one to travel much to do the scouting. That's why people were expecting him to be much more visible on the scouting front the months prior to the draft. BTW, does anyone remember who was the scout given credit for signing Broadway?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:17 AM) I'll say right now that fathom's source is either full of s***, stupid, or he's making up the source altogether, because there is no way the person who I asked would be wrong about this subject. People know from where I get the information from, so there's an obvious connection to the draft. The person I talked to was shocked about the correlation between KW saying he was going to have more of a say, and then coming out and saying he's only seen Poreda on videotape.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 25, 2007 -> 12:15 AM) No offense, though it will sound like it, but your source is full of s***. GM's rarely, if ever, see draft picks in person. Then this person should quit his very high-profiled job. Maybe Flash could then get the position if it opens up.

I think a big mistake we made was not bringing in a back-up SS when we found out Cintron would need surgery on his arm.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:57 PM) Only about 98% of them. Well, then you and I are hearing differently, and I value the information I received from this person, as he's one of the individuals most closely connected with the draft. FWIW, the Sox were very upset when Main was picked, as he was the guy they wanted.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:55 PM) Big f***ing whoop. Plenty of teams GM's haven't seen there first round picks in person. Yes, but those GMs usually don't make big deals about how they're going to be hands-on with the draft. It's funny though, because I asked the same question you did to a draft expert, and they said that GMs will usually go see at least 4 or 5 guys that they think will possibly be drafted by them in the first round.

I don't care what the excuses are anymore, when the hitting has been this bad for so long, you fire the hitting coach. Since when has KW acted like such a pussy?

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:24 PM) I think CoCo Crisp would be involved a deal because Kenny doesn't consider this rebuilding...more or less reshuffling. He's talking about core pieces, and you'd think that Buerhle would be part of that, but I guess he considers Thome, Konerko, Vazquez, Jenks and Garland (for at least 1 more year) to be that core. The best thing that could happen to the Sox today is if KW was fired. I get so worried that he'll try to acquire guys like Crisp or Jones.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:11 PM) I'm watching it too. I did notice that David Ortiz is faster than anyone on the White Sox. Yeah, he did have quite the nice slide. It's just amazing how poorly the Sox are at sliding.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:02 PM) I hope that's just a wacky sarcastic guess and not some scoop like the Beck deal. No, the Beck thing was being reported on Baseball Primer when I woke up, they just didn't officially say it was him. QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2007 -> 11:04 PM) How about Kottaras? God knows we have no catchers. He's terrible....batting .217.