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Was PK standing on the base? I understand how he was out, but he must have not been running hard to be out by that far.

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 11:51 PM) Cora LEARNED ??? The problme is he put his hands up so late, and that's what has lead to our guys at 1B getting into a run-down.

Nice hit PK!

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 11:50 PM) Josh Fields, your plane is boarding. It would be a pitcher called up. Gload will play 1B, and PK will DH.

Here comes the DL for Thome.

Nice hit by Thome! Unfortunately, the hop cost us a run. Get these runs in PK.

I wish once this season that Guillen showed the guts that Leyland just did by pulling his starter this early when he could tell he had nothing.

Nothing is worse than having to listen to Garcia pitch on the radio. I'm absolutely thrilled that Ozzie continues to put our worst defensive CF on the field whenever Garcia pitches.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 06:59 PM) I'll probably regret this, but... I disagree. I think its an excellent idea. He'd be better defensively, have similar speed, way better offensively... I see no downside. Enlighten me. I'm 100 pct sure it was sarcasm. FREE GLOAD!

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 03:38 PM) Last year and this year are too hard to compare. We had a 15 game lead last year. This year, were behind. When the Sox were struggling last year, it didn't look like it was due to lack of effort, but rather that they were playing not to lose. Recently, we haven't even been playing not to lose....you need to at least put some type of effort into that. The entire team's approach, besides Crede, was disgraceful last night. Something else I just thought of is that with this team having almost everyone already locked up for next year, we don't have anyone in a "salary drive" and really busting their ass every night.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 04:24 AM) I can't see Oz lasting here much longer. He loves the Sox too much and is too passionate. He can't stand the criticism. He'll be quiet the next 20 years managing the Cardinals or Braves or Blue Jays. Much of the criticism Ozzie has received in the press is due to his big mouth. I wonder who the coach was that he told to "shut up" tonight before he got ejected?

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 02:41 AM) BA has been starting a lot more recently (nearly every day), and since KW, not Ozzie, made the decision to trade for Vazquez (leaving BMac out of the rotation), I don't think that BMac's ethnicity has anything to do with it. Anderson is still getting way too many days off, all things considered.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 02:09 AM) I'll be at the dentist, hopefully the office isn't too long there. I suppose it helps that I'm in Jersey, but still People have teeth in Jersey?

There's going to be a long line at the doctor's office tomorrow. Lots of sprained ankles from people jumping off the bandwagon (not in this thread, but it's definitely happening with some Sox fans).

QUOTE(tony72 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:59 AM) I am not saying every time pull the guy...just once - maybe the message would get through that - oh, it doesn't matter if you give up 7 or 8 runs..you stay until the 7th so we can rest the bullpen..maybe they might toughen up a little and not give up a ton of runs..I am not being reactionary..I know we are going to lose games like every team...I just think the leash is way too long on our starters. You want to win that game that day..not be worrying..well gotta rest so and so for the next game, series, etc. The focus should be on that game that day. I admit, it probably wouldn't work...but arent' you tired of seeing the same thing over and over again from our starters? Aren't we leaving them in the game for a long time, no matter how good or bad they're doing? I'd rather see Ozzie pull them after 5 bad innings then after 7 bad innings.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:57 AM) Well the bunny is doing his best hawk impersonation tonight Its the umpires fault. We didn't score a run tonight. Outside of one pitch, there were no real terrible calls for Rogers either. Anyone blaming the umpires for the Sox losing tonight is wrong.

QUOTE(Harry&JimmyRocked @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:55 AM) well i think catfish might be our ace now if he was in the rotation. even in his current state Thanks for the laugh.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:55 AM) Lets see them pitch when they have to cover 8 innings a game. Don't you know, this strategy works on XBox!

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:53 AM) Do you really think so? If Ozzie had another one of his rants and called someone a f@g or something like that, do you really think KW would fire him? MLB would suspend him for a few games, fine him, mandate more sensitivity training and KW would say some mildly harsh words about how he takes this seriously and that this kind of thing can't happen again. Yes, I'm very confident in saying that KW has no tolerance left for Ozzie saying something extremely stupid.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:52 AM) I don't see how you can prove that. You can't...you can only judge what you see on the field. People always bashed Manuel due to the lack of intensity the team had on the field. What we've seen lately is on par, if not worse, than the intensity levels that ended up getting Manuel fired.

QUOTE(Harry&JimmyRocked @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:51 AM) is ozzie still the best hawk has ever seen? How dare you say the "best Hawk has ever seen" and not refer to Catfish!!! You should be banned for this.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:46 AM) Unfortunately, Ozzie won't quit. It just isn't in his personality. KW won't fire him because KW sticks with his guys and hates to admit a mistake. Ozzie would have to do something monumental to force KW to fire him. A few racial and homophobic epithets aren't going to be enough. I think he'd have to burn a church down. First, let me say that hiring Ozzie was in no way a mistake. It brought us a WS championship, end of story. However, managers can wear out their welcome very fast, and it looks like this team has quit on Ozzie. If Ozzie can't motivate these guys, then no one can. However, if Ozzie says another stupid thing, I have no doubt he's gone.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:41 AM) When (if ever) are they and others in the media going to start giving Ozzie his rightful blame for this? If a team is flat, it is the manager's job to motivate them, light a fire under them, tear them a new one...something, anything! Ozzie continues his *Yawn* Ho-hum managing and the team continues to sleepwalk its way through a stretch run. Just hold out hope that if this team doesn't make the playoffs, Ozzie will either resign or say something stupid and get fired.

WE'RE STILL IN FRONT IN THE WILD CARD STANDINGS! If anyone says they're "out", they should just stop watching baseball and go watch Dancing with the Stars, or something that requires no intestinal fortitude.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:37 AM) So, who's going to be the first member to suggest "Buehrle really didn't pitch too poorly?" Chris Rongey