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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:09 PM) So, based on that criterion, we should trade Javier Vazquez for Josh Beckett. Can we!!!!!

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) Freddy at 95 pitches. Hopefully Ozzie won't leave him in until he gives up 8 runs, because his ERA is at 4.91. The Sox may actually have 60% of the greatest rotation ever with ERAs over 5.00 at the All Star break. With the strong hitting teams we face after the ASB, he'll be over 5 in no time.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:05 PM) Vazquez and Garcia can't start a playoff game. We NEED a starter... it's so ridiculously obvious. Who the f*** cares about our playoff rotation right now. We're not going to trade for a starting pitcher!!!! When you have nearly 50 million locked up in your rotation this year, if they're not good enough to make the playoffs, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE IT!

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:04 PM) #4 in the AL? I take it that's ERA by starting pitcher? Weren't we #2 in the AL a few weeks ago?

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:02 PM) There really never was a doubt. Our starters are just plain not very good. Nope. It's a marvel we're going to be up at least 4 games on the playoffs at the ASB with the way our starting pitching has been this season.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:51 PM) No. Im happy with what we have. I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. I watch those guys, and I don't know how anyone hits them. I watch Garcia, and I wonder how he gets anyone out.

And there's those 5 runs I guaranteed Garcia would give up. What a f***ing joke our pitching staff has become.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:45 PM) That's baseball. Most definitely. It was just my way of congratulating him for flattening out his swing, as I said he had too much of an uppercut last night.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:44 PM) I think that there are only 2 pitchers on that staff that have ever thrown more than 200 innings. I also think I wouldn't trade any of ours for any of theirs. You wouldn't trade Garcia for Verlander or Bonderman?

For as bad as Dye looked yesterday, he looks great today.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) would u trade it for the tigers' staff...i think i might This year....in a heart beat. I watch guys like Bonderman and Verlander, who are improving as the season goes on.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:39 PM) Even more incredible to me is our pitchers inability to pitch over poor fielding. Our starters have really struggled at getting the double play ball or a big strikeout in order to prevent a big inning.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:35 PM) And there is no such thing as a single since everybody gets a free pass to second. Great point

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:33 PM) We shouldn't be waiting that long, unless we're not planning to win a championship this season. It isn't happening....too many personalities involved to admit this isn't the world's greatest rotation. We're living or dying this year with the 5 starters we have.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:32 PM) What a shame that Freddy steps his game up today and the defense doesn't back him up. Thanks, Mac. This s*** would have happened regardless of Mackowiak. No way that 89 mph Garcia was going to keep hitting every corner imaginable with his pitches. If this is Garcia stepping up, then he sucks worse than I thought.

I can't wait for one of our underachievers to be traded in the off season.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 06:28 PM) he has every right to be mad, wtf was that? its a damn pop up and no one can f***in catch it???? he just wants to win. 2-1, there u go, thats why he was mad, cuz u knew they would take advantage, instead of one run, its 2 It's called being a good teammate and professional. Mackowiak doesn't throw a hissy-fit every time Garcia gets crushed.

Keep pitching Manny inside fastballs, and Lowell fastballs over the heart of the plate. And for the love of God, keep Mackowiak out of center field.

Pods is just so utterly mediocre.

Well, hopefully we play better tomorrow. It's a Fox game, so AJP will do something special. Just remember everyone....a Sox fan, positive or negative, is better than a f***ing Cubs fan.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 03:11 AM) What did Hawk say about McCarthy's ineffectiveness? Basically that without his changeup, he can't be an effective pitcher. The thing that's worrying me about McCarthy is that all of his pitches are up in the zone. Even in games he does well, he gives up a ton of long fly outs.

McCarthy's back to being a home run machine. Hawk's making some great points about his ineffectiveness.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 03:04 AM) Oh for chrissakes stop it with this. What? Do you know how many times people have said "he did it last year, so why question it"? I thought it was a great point by an unbiased observer.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 03:02 AM) Maybe quit baiting him then? You do that way too much too. These game threads are out of control, this guy jphat likes to look at the positive side and he challenges all these negative posts and he gets his s*** handed to him all the time. I don't blame him for getting pissed frankly. Sorry I shouldn't have stuck my nose in, but I have been reading these game threads and ... ahhh forget it. I don't understand all the personal attacks tonight. I go back and forth with jphat most nights, and we try to avoid the personal s***. I know things get more heated when we're losing, but this is ridiculous tonight.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 03:01 AM) Didn't say it was a trend. As a fan I just don't like seeing a big game come up against a rookie with our ace on the mound and not take advantage of several opportunities against an inexperienced opponent. I can't believe that after the last 180 games or so, anyone would still consider our ace the guy pitching tonight, and not on Sunday.