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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:38 PM) Danks and Liriano have the same fastball now, 91-93, touching 94 MPH. Liriano's slider is down from 87-90 into the low 80's. He's afraid to really let it go...that "muscle memory" of the injury seems to be affecting him mentally. Liriano mowed down the lower-tier teams (he had a lot of favorable match-ups) but he lost a couple of really big games down the stretch...I think his reputation from 2006 helped him to a large extent, but the jury's out if he will ever have that devastating slider back again (and if he uncorks it, how long his elbow will hold together). Would you trade Danks for Liriano TODAY, straight up? I wouldn't, because Danks has a nice, repeatable/easy delivery and doesn't look like nearly the injury risk that The Franchise does going forward. From to Fan Graphs: Danks in 2008: FB: 52.2% (91.3 average velocity)(89.5 in 2007) SL: 4.7% (83.9)(81.0) CT: 16.4% (87.1) CB: 6.4% (77.0)(76.9) CH: 20.3% (82.8)(81.7) K/9: 7.34 Liriano in 2008: FB: 53.6% (90.9)(94.7 in 2006) SL: 26.4% (83.7)(87.7) CH: 20.0% (82.0)(83.5) K/9: 7.93 This was still only his first stint back from ligament replacement surgery so we'll see what happens next year after he has a full offseason to strengthen that arm back up.

Yeah Bateman has been pushing this for a while and dropping hints that it's going to happen. There was a rumor that Cera didn't want to make the movie but those rumors appeared to be unfounded. Can't wait. Hope it doesn't suck.

Ok, I found one more. Toni Ginnetti in the Dec. 14th, 2005 Chicago Sun Times wrote: "Sox rumored to be interested in Arizona Diamondbacks right-hander Javier Vazquez", you have to pay for the full article so this will have to do. Javy was traded a few days later.

QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 11:35 PM) My theory about the Jenks rumor, it's smoke and mirrors by both KW and Minaya. Minaya is trying to bring down the price the free agents are asking. KW is trying to get Jenks to sign a long term deal. KW did the same thing when Garland, Garcia, Buehrle, Contreras, Vazquez were all nearing free agency. He shopped them and got them to extend, even at a discount. Jenks could bring some talent back in return but he has been so solid it's hard to see KW trade him. Plus, like I've said many times on this board, the deals that are rumored with KW never happen. He's all about suprises. From the Nov. 20th, 2005 Philadelphia Inquirer: Thome was traded 5 days later. I'm sure there's more but these things are hard to find.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 09:33 PM) That is what I was gonna type. Waited way too long. Probably what the Twins wanted to do. If he misses all year, does that negate a year of arbitration? No. Since he'll be on the major league disabled list he'll still earn a year of service. At least that's how I've always understood it and it worked that way for Liriano. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 09:43 PM) Don't about 100% of players that opt for rehab instead of surgery, wind up having the surgery? Sure as hell seems like it.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 08:59 PM) Yea but I dont if it's worth both Poreda and Fields to get him, especially if were serious about getting rid of Jenks. I'd probably hesitate in making that deal as well simply because Poreda is so important to the big club right now but if they were willing to take Fields and 1 or 2 of anyone in our system not named Poreda and currently eligible for trade then I'd do it in a heart beat.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 09:01 PM) I don't want stolen bases...just going from first to third on singles, 2nd to home on everything but line drives...1st to home on doubles. All of these things would be nice to see. Yep and Beltre does them all well while playing a position that is typically filled by plodders (especially in recent Sox history).

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 08:51 PM) His OBP is just frightening though. He had only 30 more walks than Juan Uribe in 200 more AB's. And yet he's still going to hit for big time power (even more than he is now if he joins the Sox), enough contact, play everyday, be a positive influence in the clubhouse, play astounding defense at 3B, add to the team speed and net us two 1st round picks at season's end. Then there's the wild card of him going off and becoming the best player in the game again in the second contract year of his career, incredibly unlikely (.01% chance) but you never know, that ability is in him - or a needle - somewhere. Believe it our not you're not going to find 9 players who hit for good contact, walk 100 times, don't strikeout, hit for good power, play great defense, run the bases well and do it all for a league minimum contract. You find imperfect but very good baseball players that mesh well and play well as a team, Adrian Beltre is a perfect fit.

They discovered the partial tear sometime in May, the idea of Tommy John surgery was brought up at the time but Neshek took the Twins' advice and elected for rehab rather than surgery, 5 months later and it looks like that decision could cost him, and the Twins, big time.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 08:46 PM) I've been wanting Paul Konerko off this team for a couple years now.. he makes Beltre look like a rockstar. I also could've sworn I saw a 90 OPS+ for Adrian Beltre on his B-R page for 2008. I knew I saw that. 4 years ago, maybe. He's been over 100 for the past 3 seasons.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) Yeah except that he's also the best defensive 3Bman in the league too, and he was more than worth his money. Beltre's a good player and if a team wants him, they'll have to pay a pretty penny. I tend to hope it's the White Sox, but if it becomes too expensive, I don't see it working. I know you love it as much as I: .292/.349/.512/.862 in stadiums not located in Seattle last season a steady trend we saw throughout his time with the Mariners. If you read the U.S.S. Mariner they absolutely love Adrian Beltre to the point where they have actually endorsed extending him to another long term deal and they get to see him play everyday.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 08:28 PM) For how much they're paying him thats abysmal. Not when he's also the best defensive 3B in the game, plays everyday and is fleet of foot. Your definition of "abysmal" is interesting though, hate to think of how you'd describe Konerko's season. Adrian also had the 3rd highest RARP (runs above replacement player, adjusted for position) amongst AL 3B in 2008 (only behind A-Rod and Longoria) which is quite good.

Salomon Torres retired from baseball today.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 03:53 PM) Simply put, you can't only look at 2/3 of a guy's season. He was dominant in the NL, but that was only 2/3 of a season. If you look at the 1/3 of the season he spent in the AL, he wasn't nearly as good. Lincecum was the right choice here. He spent half of his season in MIL not 2/3. He made 18 starts in Cleveland and 17 in Milwaukee so you really can't consider him a true contender for the award especially when there's 2 great candidates who spent the entire season in the NL. If it were a weak year for Cy Young candidates like the AL in 2005 then you could make a case for him. The voting should have gone: 1.) Lincecum 2.) Santana 3.) Sabathia with Webb a very distant 4th.

http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/11/relief-...jenks/#comments

That's some atrocious value for Jake Peavy.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...ines/index.html

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb Well deserved. Webb and Johan received 4 first place votes each and CC came away with 1. Johan finished 3rd with the VASTLY inferior Brandon Webb finishing second in the voting because people are f***ing retarded. Lincecum finished with 137 points, Webb 73 and Santana 55. I guess an epic Vazquez-esque choke job by Webb down the stretch killing any hopes of postseason play for the D-Backs wasn't enough to drop him out of the top 3 or even the top 2 for that matter. Meanwhile Johan continues to get no love in the Cy Young voting, hardly the first time.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 10:28 PM) Fair enough, I didnt realize he was that old, guess I shouldve looked that up first. Eh, it's a common misconception. Sherrill first came into the National spotlight 2 years ago at the age of 30 when he had a huge year setting up Putz in Seattle, since no one had ever really heard of the guy before and he had only played 1 previous full season in the majors everyone just assumed he was in his mid 20's. The only way you'd know the guy was on the wrong side of 30 is if you actively seeked out his age which there really is no reason to do.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 10:07 PM) What about Sherrill from the O's? 32 years old, not all that good and the Orioles will be looking for Closer value in return for a guy who probably shouldn't be closing.

Just sort of thinking out loud here. Adam Russell, Lance Broadway, ??? and/or ??? for Taveras and Street. Not saying I necessarily want this sort of thing to happen but it's kind of funny how two guys that KW has shown strong interest in within the past few months now happen to be on the same team and are almost certainly going to be dealt within in the next few months. I don't know who the ??? would be but I know they're looking for bullpen help and rotation depth, Broadway's name has come up already in connection with the Rockies and Russell seems like a decent enough trade chip when dealing with a low payroll team in need of cheap, possible high impact relievers. EDIT: Now that I think about it they also have Atkins who they're looking to unload. Yeesh I could easily see some sort a mega deal brewing between the Sox and Rox.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 07:07 PM) i think some of you guys are simply writing off holliday as a coors phenomenon....certainly his numbers are helped by coors...but this guy had nearly a .900 OPS away from coors last year, and an obp well over .400 on the year, and is only 28 years old...add in to that he had nearly 30 SBs which would have easily been the high on the white sox.... besides if we are gonna knock holliday for his home stats as being largely due to playing 81 games at coors...dont forget that he played roughly 50 games in pitchers paradises of Petco, dodger stadium and AT&T I crunched the numbers a few months ago, I'm sure a search on Google could turn them up, according to my research Matt Holliday hit nearly as poorly in the ballparks outside of the NL West as he did in the pitcher's parks of his home division. Things may have changed over the past few months but earlier this season you couldn't use that excuse legitimately. Matt Holliday is a good hitter (I have him down for a high .800 OPS in a pitcher's park next season) and possibly a better all-around ballpayer than he's given credit for but I don't believe he's one of the best hitters of his generation despite what his overall numbers might say.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 06:14 PM) I still don't understand why its a-ok for Long to get ROY after missing a month with a broken wrist, but for El Los to not have a chance in hell to get the MVP. Makes 0 sense. Well Longoria's main competition or the award got about 5 month's worth of plate appearances (Evan: 508, Alexei: 509) while Quentin's main competition finished with 150-160 more PA (Quentin: 569, Morneau: 712, Pedroia: 726) so the 2 situations aren't exactly equal.

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) Tim Brown on Yahoo Sports said an A's source says it's Street, Greg Smith, and Carlos Gonzales. That would be an incredible package. If this is the case Rockies fans should be quite pleased with the return.

.880 OPS from Holliday next year, I'm calling it now.