Kalapse

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 09:04 PM) Did he say who plan A and B is? And wouldn't they deal for Duchscherer if 1 or 2 deals DON'T fall through? If he said who plan A and B were I would have posted it. And no, according to Cowley Duchscherer is kind of a fall back plan, if KW can't land his #1 or #2 targets then he'll turn to the A's and Duch. So in order for Duchscherer to end up with the Sox a couple other deals would have to fall through (ie: not happen.) I assume you just misunderstood the definition of the term "fall through."

• All players listed should be eligible for free agency following the 2008 Season. • Free agents may negotiate and sign with a Club other than their former Club starting the 16th Day After World Series. • All ages have been adjusted for the 2009 season. • Some players may have options for the 2009 season, any options will be listed next to the player's age. • The option abbreviations are as follows: VO: Vesting Option TO: Team Option PO: Player Option MO: Mutual Option # NAME AGE OPTIONS CATCHERS 1. Ivan Rodriguez 37 [bORAS CLIENT] [TYPE A] 2. Miguel Olivo 30 - RE-SIGNED w/ ROYALS on 11/4/08 [1 year, $2.7M] 3. Rod Barajas 33 - OPTION EXERCISED by TWINS on 10/9/08 [1 year, $2.5M] 4. Mike Redmond 38 - OPTION EXERCISED by TWINS on 10/9/08 [1 year, $950K] 5. Jason Varitek 37 [bORAS CLIENT] [TYPE A] 6. Jason Kendall 35 - OPTION VESTED w/ 110 G on 8/1/08 [1 year, $4.25M] 7. Henry Blanco 37 TO: $3M - SIGNED WITH SD [1 year, $750k] 8. Toby Hall 33 TO: $2.25M SIGNED w/ HOU 9. Gregg Zaun 38 - SIGNED WITH BAL[?] 0. Michael Barrett 32 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL WITH TOR OTHERS: M. DiFelice, S. Fasano, R. Fick, W. Gonzalez, J. Lopez, A. Melhuse, C. Moeller, J. Paul, P. Lo Duca, D. Mirabelli, P. Bako, B. Ausmus, J. LaRue, J. Valentin, G. Bennett, V. Wilson, J. Estrada, Dave Ross FIRSTBASEMEN 1. Mark Teixeira 29 - SIGNED WITH NYY [8 years, ~$180M] 2. Carlos Delgado 37 - OPTION EXERCISED by METS on 10/20/08 [1 year, $12M] 3. Eric Hinske 31 4. Kevin Millar 37 5. Sean Casey 34 6. Tony Clark 37 - RE-SIGNED WITH ARZ [1 year, 800k] 7. Daryle Ward 34 8. Richie Sexson 34 9. Doug Mientkiewicz 35 0. Ben Broussard 32 [bORAS CLIENT] OTHERS: G. Norton, Ma. Sweeney, S. Hatteberg SECONDBASEMEN 1. Orlando Hudson 31 [TYPE A] 2. Mark Ellis 32 - RE-SIGNED w/ ATHLETICS on 10/20/08 [2 years, $11M] 3. Ray Durham 37 4. Mark Grudzielanek 39 5. Jeff Kent 41 - RETIRED 6. Jamey Carroll 35 - OPTION EXERCISED by INDIANS on 1016/08 [1 year, $2.5M] 7. Felipe Lopez 29 - SIGNED WITH ARZ [?] 8. Mark Loretta 37 - SIGNED BY LAD [?] 9. Damion Easley 39 0. Jerry Hairston Jr 33 - RE-SIGNED WITH CIN [?] OTHERS: T. Iguchi, L. Rivas, C. Woodward, M. Giles, C. Gomez, P. Ozuna, M. Cairo THIRDBASEMEN 1. Chipper Jones 37 - OPTION VESTED w/ 450 PA on 8/26/08 [1 year, $15M] 2. Casey Blake 35 - RE-SIGNED w/ LAD [?] 3. Joe Crede 31 [bORAS CLIENT] 4. Hank Blalock 28 - OPTION EXERCISED by RANGERS on 11/7/08 [1 year, $6.2M] 5. Ramon Vazquez 32 - SIGNED WITH PIT [?] 6. Rich Aurilia 37 7. Russell Branyan 33 - SIGNED WITH MARINERS ON 12/3/08, [1 year, $1.4M] 8. Wes Helms 33 - RE-SIGNED w/ MARLINS on 10/3/08 [2 years, $1.8M] 9. Mike Lamb 33 SIGNED w/ MIL [MIN picking up partial salary, ?] 0. Morgan Ensberg 33 OTHERS: A. Boone SHORTSTOPS 1. Rafael Furcal 31 - RE-SIGNED w/ LAD [?] 2. Edgar Renteria 33 SIGNED w/ SFO [?] TO: $12M [TYPE A] 3. Orlando Cabrera 34 [TYPE A] 4. David Eckstein 34 - SIGNED WITH SD [?] 5. Juan Uribe 30 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL WITH SF 6. Nick Punto 31 - RE-SIGNED WITH MIN [?] 7. Omar Vizquel 42 TO: $5.2M - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL w/ TEX [?] 8. Alex Cora 33 SIGNED w/ NYM [?] [bORAS CLIENT] 9. Adam Everett 32 - SIGNED WITH DET [?] 0. Cesar Izturis 29 - SIGNED BY BAL [?] OTHERS: W. Bloomquist, J. Castro, C. Counsell, T. Perez, Ra. Martinez, N. Garciaparra, A. Cintron, C. Gomez DESIGNATED HITTERS 1.Jason Giambi 38 - SIGNED w/ OAK [1 year, $5M] TO: $22M 2. Jim Thome 38 - OPTION VESTED w/ 564 PA on 9/20/08 [1 year, $13M] [TYPE A] 3. Frank Thomas 41 4. Mike Sweeney 36 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL w/SEA 5. Jose Vidro 34 OUTFIELDERS 1. Manny Ramirez 37 TO: $20M [bORAS CLIENT] [TYPE A] 2. Vladimir Guerrero 33 - OPTION EXERCISED by ANGELS on 10/28/08 [1 year, $15M] [TYPE A] 3. Pat Burrell 32 SIGNED w/ TB [2 years, $16M] [TYPE A] 4. Milton Bradley 31 SIGNED w/ CHC [3 years, $30M] [TYPE A] 5. Adam Dunn 29 [TYPE A] 6. Bobby Abreu 35 [TYPE A] 7. Raul Ibanez 37 SIGNED by PHILLIES on 12/12/08 [3 years, $30M][TYPE A] 8. Mike Cameron 36 - OPTION EXERCISED by BREWERS on 11/3/08 [1 year, $10M] 9. Ken Griffey Jr 39 TO: $16.5M 10. Juan Rivera 31 - RE-SIGNED w/ LAA [?] 11. Mark Kotsay 33 SIGNED w/ BOS [1 year, $1.5M] 12. Garret Anderson 37 TO: $14M 13. Rocco Baldelli 27 SIGNED w/ BOS [1 year, ?$] 14. Brian Giles 38 - OPTION EXERCISED by PADRES on 11/7/08 [1 year, $9M] [TYPE A] 15. Emil Brown 34 16. Wily Mo Pena 27 - OPTION EXERCISED by PENA on 10/28/08 [1 year, $2M] 17. Cliff Floyd 36 TO: $3M 18. Jason Michaels 33 - SIGNED WITH HOU [?] 19. Shannon Stewart 35 20. Jim Edmonds 39 21. Luis Gonzalez 41 22. Jay Payton 36 23. Craig Monroe 32 SIGNED w/ PIT, MINOR LEAGUE DEAL 24. Darin Erstad 35 - RE-SIGNED w/ ASTROS on 8/29/08 [1 year, $1.75M] 25. Gabe Kapler 33 - SIGNED WITH TB [?] 26. Rob Mackowiak 33 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL WITH THE METS 27. Trot Nixon 35 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL WITH MIL 28. Kevin Mench 31 - SIGNED WITH HANSHIN TIGERS, JAPAN 29. Jacque Jones 34 30. Corey Patterson 29 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL w/ WAS [bORAS CLIENT] OTHERS: B. Wilkerson [bORAS] , M. Alou, S. Podsednik, A. Jones [bORAS] STARTING PITCHERS 1. CC Sabathia 29 - SIGNED BY NYY [7 years, $161M][TYPE A] 2. Ben Sheets 31 [TYPE A] 3. Ryan Dempster 32 - RE-SIGNED w/ CUBS on 11/18/08 [4 years, $52M] [TYPE A] 4. Jon Garland 29 - SIGNED w/ DIAMONDBACKS [1 year] 5. Kyle Lohse 30 - RE-SIGNED w/ CARDINALS on 9/30/08 [4 year, $41M] [bORAS CLIENT] 6. AJ Burnett 32 - SIGNED BY NYY [5 years, $82.5M] [TYPE A] 7. Brad Penny 31 - SIGNED WITH BOS [1 year, $5M] TO: $8.75M 8. Mike Mussina 40 - RETIRED [TYPE A] 9. Derek Lowe 36 SIGNED w/ ATL [4 years, $60M] [bORAS CLIENT] [TYPE A] 10. Pedro Martinez 37 11. Oliver Perez 27 RE-SIGNED w/ NYM [3 years, $36M][bORAS CLIENT] [TYPE A] 12. Odalis Perez 32 13. Randy Wolf 32 14. Paul Byrd 38 SAYS HE IS STAYING HOME UNTIL AT LEAST THE ASB 15. Livan Hernandez 34 16. Braden Looper 34 17. Randy Johnson 45 - SIGNED WITH SFO [?] 18. Greg Maddux 43 RETIRED [bORAS CLIENT] 19. Brian Moehler 37 - RE-SIGNED w/ ASTROS on 8/29/08 [1 year, $2.3M] 20. Jason Jennings 31 21. John Smoltz 42 SIGNED w/ BOS [?] TO: $12M 22. Chan Ho Park 36 - SIGNED BY PHI [?] 23. Kip Wells 32 24. Jamie Moyer 46 - RE-SIGNED WITH PHI [?][TYPE A] 25. Andy Pettitte 37 - RE-SIGNED WITH NYY [1 year, $5.5M][TYPE A] 26. Brian Lawrence 33 27. Mark Mulder 31 TO: $11M 28. Woody Williams 42 - RETIRED 29. Matt Clement 34 30. Mark Prior 28 SIGNED w/ SD [?] OTHERS: K. Benson, S. Chacon, B. Colon, C. Pavano, J. Sosa, M. Morris, Ma. Redman, C. Schilling, J. Fogg, B. Tomko S. Trachsel, T. Wakefield, S. Estes, T. Glavine, M. Hampton, M. Hendrickson, G. Rusch, K. Rogers RELIEF PITCHERS 1. Scott Downs 33 - NOT AN FA 2. Bob Howry 35 - - SIGNED w/ GIANTS on 12/3/08 [1 years, $2.75M] 3. Will Ohman 31 4. Jeremy Affeldt 30 - SIGNED w/ GIANTS on 11/18/08 [2 years, $8M] 5. Juan Cruz 30 [TYPE A] 6. Dan Wheeler 31 - SIGNED EXTENSION WITH TB [3 years] 7. Damaso Marte 34 - RE-SIGNED w/ YANKEES on 11/12/08 [3 years, $12M] [TYPE A] 8. Eddie Guardado 38 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL w/ TEX 9. Joe Beimel 32 10. Brian Shouse 40 - SIGNED w/ TAM 11. Luis Ayala 31 12. Russ Springer 40 [TYPE A] 13. Dennys Reyes 32 14. Aaron Fultz 35 15. Rudy Seanez 40 16. Trever Miller 36 TO: $2M - SIGNED w/ CARDINALS on 12/3/08 [1 year, ???] 17. David Weathers 39 ACCEPTED ARB FROM CIN 18. Jon Lieber 39 19. Al Reyes 39 20. Darren Oliver 38 [TYPE A], also: ACCEPTED ARB FROM LAA 21. Scott Eyre 37 - RE-SIGNED w/ PHILLIES on 11/10/08 [1 year, $2M] 22. LaTroy Hawkins 36 - RE-SIGNED w/ ASTROS on 11/7/08 [1 year, $3.5M] 23. Alan Embree 39 TO: $3MSIGNED WITH COL [1 year, $2.25M] 24. Mike Stanton 42 - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL W/ CHC [?] 25. Matt Herges 39 TO: $2.5M - SIGNED MINOR LEAGUE DEAL W/ CLE [?] 26. Tom Gordon 41 TO: $4.5M 27. Matt Wise 33 28. Jorge Julio 30 - SIGNED WITH MIL [1 year, $?] 29. Kyle Farnsworth 33 - SIGNED WITH KC [?] 30. Doug Brocail 42 - SIGNED WITH HOU [?] [TYPE A] OTHERS: G. Mota, M. Timlin, J. Tavarez, A. Rhodes, K. Foulke, E. Dessens, J. Brower, J. Towers, S. Proctor, T. Saito CLOSERS 1. Francisco Rodriguez 27 - SIGNED WITH NYM [3 year, $37M] [TYPE A] 2. Kerry Wood 32 - SIGNED BY CLE[2 years, $20.5M plus VO $11M 3rd year] [TYPE A] 3. Brian Fuentes 32 - SIGNED WITH LAA [2 years, $17.5M] [TYPE A] 4. Brandon Lyon 29 - SIGNED WITH DET [?] 5. Trevor Hoffman 41 - SIGNED WITH MIL [?] 6. Jason Isringhausen 36 [TYPE A] 7. Chad Cordero 27 8. Todd Jones 40 - RETIRED 9. Eric Gagne 33 [bORAS CLIENT] 0. Joe Borowski 38 OTHERS:

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 07:12 PM) Does that mean they will break into when he's talking to announce the deal? I'm waiting for the breaking news jingle to interrupt Cowley any second now.

Ok so according to Cowley (he's on the Score right now) Duchscherer is NOT a priority for the Sox right now, he's plan C or D, the only reason the Sox would deal for Duch is if 1 or 2 other deals fall through.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 06:14 PM) OMG, a pitcher pitching well without a 95 mph fastball! Plus command, a plus curve, and a good cutter. Sign me up. Don't give a s*** that he can't run it up in the mid 90's. Duch wasn't a failed SP turned RP. In fact, he was damn good throughout the minors. He moved purely based on the fact Oakland's rotation was nasty and the pen wasn't. He became an all-star there, and now he's back in the rotation where he's needed. He's good. Not this good, but he's good. I'll put Buehrle, Duch, Vazquez, and Danks up against any playoff rotation in baseball. And he moved back to the rotation because he was falling pray to a new injury every other week and spending at least a month per season on the DL. He figured moving to the rotation and pitching every 5th day would help him avoid these injuries. So far so good but when taking into account his medical history, the fact that he hasn't made a start in 5 years prior to this season and hasn't thrown 100+ innings since 2003 what are the chances he holds up to the workload?

QUOTE (striker62704 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 05:17 PM) If we got Duchscherer would we assume that Contreras is out of the rotation? I'd rather we went after Lowe in a deal that would also net us LaRoche. Any takers for Logan + Cabrera for Lowe and LaRoche? then Poreda + Fields for Duchscherer then Vazquez to Mets for prospects then prospects to Orioles for Roberts This is so easy Buerhle Floyd Danks Lowe Duchshcerer wow From now through the end of the 2009 season Javier Vazquez will be a more valuable major league starter than Justin Duchscherer. That is my bold prediction for the day.

QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) I would think that Duch would cost more than Burnett. It should cost much less to acquire Burnett since he has the option of opting out of his current contract at season's end so you could be looking at a 2 month rental. Duch on the other hand would be under team control through 2009 and has been arguably the best starting pitcher in baseball this season while Burnett has just been "good."

Bernstein just mentioned that various outlets are reporting that KW's talks with the A's regarding a trade for Justin Duchscherer are heating up. Fields and Poreda would likely be involved. This makes me very nervous because I don't like Duch for the long term one bit.

I'd LOVE to see the Brewers somehow acquire Halladay, they should still have the necessary talent to pull off such a coup.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 04:14 PM) Lose some salary off our book like Count, Thome, Uribe, Crede and our team is better with Halladay. It's not an issue at all financially, the money is and would be there to pay him, he'd just be impossible to acquire.

In case anyone is curious: '08: $10M '09: $14.25M '10: $15.75M Not gonna happen.

Kenny has probably inquired as to the availability of every pitcher in baseball at this point.

Pitchers traded during the 2004 season: Jeremy Griffiths Dave Weathers Gabe White Denny Bautista Jason Grimsley Mike Wood Octavio Dotel Freddy Garcia Jimmy Anderson Gary Majewski Jon Rauch Mike Dejean Scott Randall Terry Adams Todd Jones Brad Penny Josh Hancock Andy Machado Guillermo Mota Felix Rodriguez Bill Murphy Bartolome Fortunato Jose Diaz Kris Benson Jon Huber Francis Beltran Tom Martin Esteban Loaiza Jose Contreras Ismael Valdez Travis Chick Scott Erickson Jeriome Robertson Cory Lidle Elmer Dessens Mike Venafro Dan Wheeler Freddy was a HUGE get, especially when you consider in the fact that he was mainly bidding against the Yankees.

Alexei Ramirez is just horrible with cutoffs.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 01:25 PM) Thome's OPS is now above .900. .262/.385/.520/.905 Creepy back towards his career averages.

And Jim Thome stays hot, that's about 2 full months now. Imagine how good he'd be if he still had adequate bat speed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 09:06 PM) He pitches against the Phillies at some point? I believe he gets the Marlins next time out, that should be interesting.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 10:36 PM) How frickin' bored are you? Not very, I just logged in to see the reaction to tonight's win, saw a fallacy in the Winner thread and helped by correcting it. You're welcome.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 10:33 PM) I don't know, Everett and Alomar got plenty of people excited. And the reacquisition of Everett brought us a World Series a year later. He picked up Mike MacDougal on July 24, 2006. He went on to be one of the best relievers in baseball from July 25th right on through to the end of the season.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 10:21 PM) Last time Crede missed games due to injury was after that rocket off his wrist. He came back after that and absolutely tore it up for a week and a half or so. We could use that again in these upcoming series' vs MIN and DET. So missing the first 2 games of the Dodgers series (20 days after the wrist injury) with a lower back tightness (same thing he has now) followed by a 20 game stretch where he managed a .186/.234/.314/.548 line doesn't count?

QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 01:07 AM) So far so good for Mr. Harden. Should be interesting to see what he does against a big league offense.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 06:27 PM) To be honest. The best player on the trade market for us right now would be DeJesus if Dye is hurt for awhile. You play him in CF and lead him off. Q goes to right and Swish to LF. According to Cowley Dye will be in the lineup tomorrow.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) -- Wow, he's 6-foot-6. Hope he has command. Sometimes these tall guys are wild. Should be an interesting start against the hot hitting Rangers (except last weekend). From what I've read Clayton Richard's whole game is based around command/location of pitches since his stuff is so mediocre. This certainly isn't another Andrew Sisco.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) Most of the bashing is that she's ugly. I haven't seen the movie yet but imo she's pretty disgusting looking. She's supposed to be the love interest of Aaron Eckhart and Christian f***ing Bale (Billionaire, Ballet enthusiast, Batman) she must have one HELL of a personality.

QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 02:54 PM) Very surpised by all the hate Maggie Gylenhall is getting here for her performance of Rachel Dawes. Acting wise, I thought she ran circles around Katie Holmes in "Begins" and as long as Maggie doesn't have the crooked awful looking smile that Holmes loves to flaunt, I don't see how you could think of this as a downgrade. I thouhgt she did a very admirable job, and judging by most of the reviews, I'd say most tend to agree. I havent seen more Maggie Gylenhall bashing anywhere more but here?? Her acting was very good, her face on the other hand . . .