Kalapse

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 07:32 AM) To say Joe Crede is not an everyday player is absolutely stupid. Like I said before, he's the most underrated, overrated player we have on this team. For whatever reason, there just seems to be no middle ground with Joe, he's either fantastic or awful in peoples mind. Obviously, he's neither fantastic or awful. I've long said that he's a middle of the pack 3B with some upside but also obvious limitations. I don't want to knock Crede as much as I do but when he's being compared to hall of famers it tend to take the other side of the argument.

Ellis Burks signed a 1 year deal with the Sox in 1993 at the age of 28. He had a pretty good season and left through free agency. The following season he put up a 1.066 OPS for the Rockies and went on to play another 10 above average seasons after that. I don't think it's Ellis Burks you're thinking of.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 2, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) Yeah, you're right. A .324 OBP, .469 SLG (.793 OPS), .271 AVG, 20 homers, and 85-90 RBI's is well worth a 5 year contract worth 15 million every season, especially for a player who will only get worse, at least in my opinon. He's averaged 510 AB, 81 R, 30 2B, 25 HR, 87 RBI, 18 SB, .279/.335/.487/.822 over the past 3 seasons along with above average and at times spectacular defense. He's also a name that can be marketed by the club, the value of that should not be overlooked.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 2, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) Yeah, you're right. A .324 OBP, .469 SLG (.793 OPS), .271 AVG, 20 homers, and 85-90 RBI's is well worth a 5 year contract worth 15 million every season, especially for a player who will only get worse, at least in my opinon. Yeah, he might still be able to make player out there, but he has slowed down tremendously, and I would not be surprised to see a serious drop off in bat speed within the next few years as well. Torii Hunter might help the team in the short term, but he does not do anything for the long term, and in fact just hurts our long term even worse, if you ask me. Also, how is Garland pretty much out the door? It seems to me you are just making that up. What would you say are the odds of Garland getting dealt this offseason 60%? Considering all the talk I'd put it at 75%. In order to fill a few of the many holes this team has Garland will likely go. That is what I'm talking about.

He's not going to get 6 years, it'll be 4 or 5 at the most and as for the contract that he supposedly turned down, according to Hunter a legitimate offer was never even made by the Twins. I'm not worried about the 4th or 5th year of the deal because the first 3 should be pretty damn good by that 4th he'll be slower but probably still hitting for good power and making all the plays he's capable of getting to in the OF. And yes, some people are worried about the first few years of the deal. When claims of "career years" and "he's a mediocre player" are being made, then it's not just the last year or 2 of the deal that people are worried about. I don't see anyone offering him more than 5 guaranteed years, if someone like Tom Hicks decides to do so then bully for him he can have Torii. But $13M-$14M a year over 4 or 5 years doesn't scare me all that much. What else are the Sox going to spend that money on? The payroll will likely be in the 100's for the foreseeable future and there's no players aside from Garland (who is pretty much out the door) that are looking for big money in the coming years and the free agents aren't going to get any cheaper. The money is there and the player is a good fit.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 2, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) Furcal hopefully... And this obsession people have with Hunter is sickening. Face it, Hunter is old and just is a little better then a mediocre player who had a huge contract season. 5 years 90 million for Hunter would be one of the worst moves in baseball. You're delusional. I'm still waiting for you to back any of this up. How is he mediocre? HIS HUGE CONTRACT SEASON WAS NOT THAT MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT HE HAS DONE IN YEARS PAST. You act like he's been a .750 OPS player for every year of his career until last year when he shot up to .950. Last year was the 4th .800+ OPS season of his career and only 13 OPS points better than his 2006 numbers hell even 2005 was .789. THAT'S NOT MEDIOCRE. You can keep saying that he's slowed down in the OF but the Cell is one of the smallest centerfields in the league and he's still going to make all the plays. He's 32 years old, you act like he's 38.

Kaz Matsui would be a disaster.

Gload isn't a free agent.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 2, 2007 -> 11:49 AM) Use salary if you have to, but making a statement like that is flat out lying. Seriously, since when is .712 = .636, and not 76 points higher? Depending on the pricetag, I'd much prefer Crisp to Owens. And Crisp also has the potential to put up an .800 OPS, I don't think Owens will ever come within 70 points of that number.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 26, 2007 -> 01:40 PM) House> ER> Greys Yes I watch all 3, no Im not proud. House is currently the best show on television.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 2, 2007 -> 02:30 AM) A modestly built guy at 6'3, 200 pounds who somehow was an 11th round pick, even with his great arm, suffers his 2nd bizarre, yet major injury in about 6 months. If this guy isn't a candidate for HGH/steroid/something that makes you brittle but helps you get stronger use, I don't know who is. Going into the draft Zumaya only threw in the low 90's, he magically gained 10 MPH on his fastball after playing in the Tigers minor league system. If Joel were throwing 100-103 MPH before the draft he would have been a high round pick.

That Anaheim trade is not "out there" it was crazy speculation from some old bastard on Chicago Sports Radio that a few Sox fans decided to run with. There's just no part of that deal that makes any sense from the Angels' side.

Best part of the article:

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 11:29 PM) Why is that? He had a very similar season in 2006. I don't want him, but he's still a very good player. I doubt many people here are worried about the first 2 years of the contract, maybe even 3 years. It's years 4 and 5 that are the most worrisome. I already tried this approach, it did not elicited a response. I'll take an overpaid Torii Hunter roaming centerfield for the next 4 to 5 years over Jerry Owens in year 1 followed by failed experiments numbers 4, 5 and 6 in '09, '10 and '11. Some stability in CF would be nice and when it's a very good player who also happens to be one of the few baseball players that I can actually tolerate (personality wise) it's a good situation in my mind.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) Can I ask why Buehrle's value is so low? The grades are based on the last 2 seasons and Buehrle was terrible in 2006.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 09:55 PM) If Guillen became available, I'd be all for moving Crede now, sliding Fields to 3rd and than having the Sox find a way to trade for Furcal and pick up a solid CFer (even if that means Crisp). If the Sox were to sign both Guillen and Hunter (unlikely, I know) they'd have an outfield that has a very good shot at 3 .800+ OPS hitters. When was the last time the Sox got that sort of offensive fire power from all 3 outfield positions? Guillen has posted an .800+ OPS in 4 of the last 5 seasons including a .928 OPS in 2003 and an .813 last year in one of the best pitcher's parks in baseball. The only season he had any troubles was 2006 when he was injured for most of the year. He's a pretty good defender who can play either corner OF spot well and has an absolute cannon for an arm. An outfield of Guillen/Hunter/Dye would be something to get excited about.

All Type A and B free agents have now been designated as such on the main list.

Possible future White Sox: Torii Hunter: A Aaron Rowand: A Barry Bonds: A Mike Cameron: B Jose Guillen: B Andruw Jones: B Luis Castillo: B Omar Vizquel: B David Eckstein: B Scott Linebrink A

QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) Maybe this is dumb of me, but are these values the ones for declaring a player to be a type A free agent or is it just a ranking. Yes

Crede was barely a type B player despite having a career year in 2006. I stand by my original assessment: Joe Crede will not bring back any compensation when he walks at the end of '08.

Also, there's talk that Jose Guillen will opt out of his contract in Seattle and become a free agent, he'd be a great fit for LF IMO.

The Padres declined the '08 team option on Rob Mackowiak today so he is a free agent. Now he needs to come back home.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 06:12 PM) Uribe's option CAN NOT be picked up. He'd be getting paid what, 5 million(?) to suck. If we can't find a replacement within a certain amount of time, we could then give him a lesser contract, as Uribe is not even close to being worth 5 million. Also, I'd much rather over pay for Rowand then Hunter as Rowand hasn't shown massive signs of slowing down and won't be 40 in the final year of his contract. With that being said, we could go without either and save the money for something else. Neither will Torii Hunter. He'll be 36 or 37 (depending on the length of the deal [4-5 years]) and only 2 years older than Rowand. And as for Hunter never living up to the numbers he posted in his contract year, he had nearly identical numbers in 2006 with only a 13 point difference in OPS between the 2 seasons so there is some sort of track record of success. I'm really not all that opposed to giving Hunter a lucrative long term deal as I'm beginning to think money will not be a huge issue for this team in the coming years. He's a good, exciting player who's well liked around baseball and very very marketable.

I'd rather not see Castillo in a Sox uni. He's become the ultimate singles hitter and doesn't have much left in his legs so he doesn't steal many bases. If next year his OBP next year is below .350 his OPS will dip below .700. He's also looking for a 3 year deal. So you'd be signing a guy who's a risk to put up a sub .700 OPS and steal 15-20 bases. KW would be regretting that signing by 2009.

Kobe won't accept any deal that involves Deng leaving Chicago, so whether or not Paxson is willing to move Luol is a moot point.