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QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 08:58 PM) ..But once you get past Griffey, Phillips, and Dunn, it looks a lot like the current White Sox line up in terms of suckage. He's not playing today but Josh Hamilton is an excellent hitter. So that's 4 very good to great hitters along with Encarnacion who is league average and a couple of other young players who are playing over their heads. Doesn't sound too bad to me, especially in the NL.

Today has been a VERY bad day in the standings. TB, BAL, KC, WAS and FLA are all going to lose, HOU is losing late, CIN is tied in the 7th and PIT plays @ SD tonight. The Sox could lose a game on EVERYONE.

Cory Hart is a ballsy son of a b****.

Prince Fielder hits baseballs very far. #47

Jim Thome now has 501 career homeruns. He's also just 1 HR away from his 11th career 30+ HR season.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 05:53 PM) I believe she said that in the movie, too. She did.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) With regard to four, they played "together" but not quite. As for three, that's interesting. One? They didn't break in but nobody ever said they did, implications be damned, and Mitchell definitely sent them to try and look for something, anything to discredit Wiebe. Wiebe's wife pretty much said that the 2 men took advantage of her elderly mother. That she told them they had to go elsewhere until her husband came home but once she left they were invited in by someone who really had no business doing so (her momma.)

Well, Tampa lost again.

I believe it's "hyperbolic".

Just remember to start from the very beginning. If you don't start with the first episode and work your way through you won't get the full effect of AD's comedy. That's the main problem the show had IMO. FOX would advertise the s*** out of certain episodes midway through the season, people would tune in for that one episode without seeing the beginning of the season and half the jokes flew clear over the heads, so the show was unable to draw in a large committed fan base. That's why most of the die hard AD fans you come across had been watching the show from the very beginning.

Updated standings: W L LB GB Tampa Bay 63 89 -- -- #1 Baltimore 64 86 3 2 #2 Chicago Sox 65 86 3 2.5 #3 Florida 65 86 3 2.5 Houston 65 86 3 2.5 Kansas City 65 85 4 3 #6 Pittsburgh 66 85 4 3.5 #7 San Francisco 67 84 5 4.5 #8 Washington 68 83 6 5.5 #9 Cincinnati 69 82 7 6.5 #10 Today's games are going to be HUGE.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 12:55 PM) 340 at bats. If a full season is 550 to 600 AB's, then he's somewhere between 56 and 62% of a full season so far to get those 20 hr's. He's up to 375 PA unless he's hitting at the top of the order next season I don't see him getting any more than 600 PA. 375/600 = 62.5%. That's the maximum number of PA IMO. So he's probably somwhere between 62-65% right now.

QUOTE(SpringfieldFan @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 12:49 PM) Good grief, talk about a tough crowd. The guy's got 20 home runs in half a rookie season, and one would think he is doomed. Just as pitchers will likely adjust to him, so too will he likely adjust to them. Leave the future to the future and enjoy what he has already done; its one of the few bright spots lately. SFF 65-70% of a rookie season.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 09:51 PM) Pretty much the "ideal" loss at this point. It's also a 'good' loss because all of the other bottom feeders lost (besides KC) as well, so we're keeping pace. Washington lost so that's a positive.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) Hope you are right. He's not hitting much more than his weight, is he? There are way too many automatic outs in the lineup which means long losing streaks and lots of games like tonight. 4 hits? What an embarrassment. Richar has a .756 OPS that's pretty damn close to league average (and better than Iguchi). If you can get that from a 25 year old who's making league minimum and playing some good defense you should be happy.

I didn't see the game but judging by the box score Fields, Thome, Richar, Floyd and Wasserman all had pretty good games AND we lost? Sounds pretty good to me.

And if Josh Fields puts up a .600 SLG next year I'll ignore his .300 OBP. If Joe Crede hits .350 I'll ignore his .040 ISOd.

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) There seems to be some pretty extreme pessimism and optimism in this thread. First of all, slugging percentage includes singles so if you really want to look at how much power a guy is hitting for you have to look at his ISO (isolated slugging percentage, SLG - AVG). In that case, Fields .223 bests Abbott's rookie year .213 and anything Borchard has ever done in the majors. More importantly though, you have to look at Fields' performance in context. First of all, he's having this relative major league success at a younger age than Borchard (never), Liefer (26), and Abbott (25) ever did. He's also been a more highly regarded prospect (peaked at 45 on Baseball America's top 100 list) than Abbott (80) and Liefer (never made the list). He also performed better (.894 OPS) than Abbott (.871 OPS) or Borchard (.847 OPS) ever did in AAA. Most importantly of all, he plays a defensive position so he doesn't have to hit as well as those players did to be good major leaguers. He's not a lock to be a great player but he's quite a bit ahead of where any of those players were at this stage in their career. I just answered the question that was originally posed. I don't remember comparing or passing judgment on anyone.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 12:01 PM) The Sox could very well be looking for more than that in exchange for a reliable starting pitcher, given Furcal's contract...and I wouldn't blame them for trying. It's more than Just his contract, he's been pretty damn mediocre this year. His power and speed numbers are WAY down from his career averages.

So now Jerry Owens has the ability to become '98 Kenny Lofton or Jose Reyes? When you get into the .370 OBP (100+ ISOd) 60 SB territory that's exactly who you're comparing him to. You're now saying he has the potential to be one of the elite leadoff hitters of his generation.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 17, 2007 -> 11:48 PM) When is the last time a Sox rookie has put up those kind of home run numbers? Wouldn't he look good as Sox DH the next 20 years? Trade Thome who is showing he still has some pop in his bat for some studs and let Fields DH? Just a thought. Jeff Abbott put up similar power numbers as a rooking in '98, though Jeff actually had a higher SLG. Also, Jeff Liefer: 18 HR in 254 ABs in 2001.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Sep 17, 2007 -> 11:39 PM) He won't win ROY for two reasons. #1 he has a pretty bad AVG. #2 he has a horrible OBP. He does have the best power numbers out of any AL Rookie though. Better reason: Dustin Pedroia has better numbers and he plays for the BoSox.

I have officially jinxed Danny Richar.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2007 -> 10:08 PM) Well, hopefully Pablo will be around...but I think Danny is going to make you guys regret doubting him. Danny getting 100% of the ABs vs righties and 40-50% of the ABs vs lefties and Pablo picking up the slack would be a very nice platoon. Danny's going to need ABs vs lefties though in order to develop properly.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in '05 @ Sep 17, 2007 -> 10:07 PM) We need to platoon him with someone next year. He actually has a higher OPS against lefties this season than he does righties. Not that it means anything really but it is odd none the less. He'll be 25 next season, making league minimum, playing the least important defensive position on the field and probably batting 9th. If I'm KW I'm not all that worried about his production for next season. He'll save you a few million dollars, play some very nice defense, learn on the job and there's always the possibility that he does reach some of that potential in a starting role and you have one hell of a player on your hands. Not everyone on the roster needs to make $4M+ and put up gaudy numbers, those young league minimum guys are very important to have.