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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) I don't think it necessarily is a surrender. Stewart has pitched in the bigs this year. Wasn't bad. Offense gets much better then even better when Viciedo is healthy and called up. Only need 4 starters for the playoffs anyway and we have the depth in the bullpen to overcome some starter problems. Anyway I was being " creative" .That's what Kenny needs to with some of these big salaries and under performing players. Pretty sure Young wouldn't under perform as he's been on fire lately. He allowed 23 baserunners in 9.2 IP in his 2 outings against DET and ATL after his big league debut vs Baltimore. Overall he had a 1.86 WHIP before being demoted.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) I had totally forgotten that Prado can play LF. He's doing it for the first time in his professional career this season and more than holding his own. Once they made the deal for Uggla it was clear Prado would be taking over starting duties in LF. With all this talk of Willingham (barely an OF), Ludwick (he's played a handful of innings in CF but he's not athletic enough to trust out there) and Quentin what exactly is the plan? Prado to center? Seems like a stretch given that he's new to outfield play but it seems like it's the only option, I can't imagine them shifting Heyward. That's why none of this makes any damn sense and Bourn and Crisp should be the players they're targeting.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) That Braves fan makes a good point. Where the hell does CQ play? Of course he/she makes a good point but I think we should just ignore that logical approach and instead focus on the constant stream of reports from national writers that have the Baves targeting corner outfielders including Quentin by name. It doesn't have to make sense, dammit.

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman #yankees indeed among teams to inquire about available matt thornton. #chsox, #tradedeadline Not exactly difficult to figure out why Kenny is dangling Thornton, aside from the contract, frightening start to the season and our good of lefty reliever depth Matt Thornton is a hot commodity on the trade market, get a few teams bidding against each other and we could get a very nice return.

@BNightengale Bob Nightengale #mlb #Braves also strongly in on Quentin, but with #WhiteSox in race, still unlikely they will make move

@BNightengale Bob Nightengale #mlb #Red Sox pushing hard for Carlos Quentin and LHP Thornton, but #White Sox would have to be overwhelmed with prospects# tradedeadline

@Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Source: #Rangers would only move Holland for Thornton if #WhiteSox expanded deal to include a starter such as Danks. #tradedeadline #MLB Seems like they're fairly far apart.

@Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: #Rangers pursuing #WhiteSox's Thornton. White Sox want Holland in return. #tradedeadline #MLB

@STATS_MLB STATS LLC #WhiteSox lower #MLB-best ERA to 1.92 since All-Star break with 7th straight win over #RedSox, who lead majors with 89 runs after break. 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Regardless of whether or not we're actually interested in trading him right this second, this is frantastic news.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) Ramirez's offensive numbers this year are actually slightly above his career norms. Past his prime? He's had lingering injury problems until this year. 3rd highest wOBA of any 3B in the game this season, right behind #2 and well ahead of #4. You can say what you want about his D but his last 2 months have put him right there with the elite 3B in the game offensively (Youk and A-Rod).

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) We need less Type-Sucks and more Type-Goods. A few more tweaks Kenny, just a few more. Don't give up. Winners. Will Ohman's having an excellent season. Lefties are hitting .200/.279/.309/.588 off him with a 4.00 k/bb and 32% of their PA against him end in a K. Overall he has a 1.18 WHIP and a 9.77 K/9, he's doing exactly what he was brought in to do.

What a bizarre couple of days, the trade/rumors are just weird and they're coming from odd sources. None of this seems typical, this year's deadline just feels off, it feels like the ogranization is stuck in between.

Holy s***, Jerry Meals just handed the game to the Braves with one of the all time worst calls by an umpire. Unreal. Lugo dead to rights at the plate is clearly tagged TWICE before finally stepping on the plate and is called safe, wow.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 12:45 AM) Well, Reed and Mitchell are 2 guys I'd like to hold on to as well. He had an ankle injury, though. Contract, sure and Petco effect (as well as NL effect) is likely. But I don't think anyone foresaw multiple injuries and setbacks. This is exactly why I hated the trade at the time, his mechanics are just so god awful and he'd had elbow problems the year before we traded for him, that on top of what you've already mentioned and there was just WAY to much risk involved in that deal considering his $55M price tag. And now he's made 30 starts for us in 2 full years with the club, not a lot of opportunity for the elbow or shoulder to go.

It's the bottom of the 19th in Atlanta, tied 3-3 with the Pirates.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 12:18 AM) Rosenthal stating that Toronto going after Wandy Rodriguez and Heath Bell Heath Bell makes about as much sense as Edwin Jackson. That team is what? 10 out in the wild card and they're interested in a soon-to-be free agent closer? Is it odd that Rosenthal's report almost lends credence to the Jackson rumor?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) That's it in a nutshell. But it was KW's screw up that got this snowball rolling. That's why I hope if JR decides to go young he lets someone else make the decisions. Why reward KW with 4 or 5 years of employment trying to fix the mess he created? Hopefully JR learned something when he gave Jerry Krause a free pass. Yeah, if this goes down it just accentuates the terrible job KW's done running this club the past few years and should make it crystal clear that it's time for a change.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:15 PM) Come on...$10 million isn't going to force us to make this mistake. You would hope not but at this point I'm going on the assumption that this rumor is true (there's really no discussion if we dismiss the rumor out of hand) and thinking logically, yeah this is a mistake brought on by salary dumping.

Assuming this is true . . . So it's a good trade for KW because it dumps Teahen's salary yet the Teahen extension was a tremendous f***up on KW's behalf that next to no one thought was a good idea at the time? I love how KW makes bad trades to cover up for bad trades, that's been his MO over the past few years. So 6 years of Dan Hudson for a season's worth of good production from Jackson (which won us nothing), 2 months of Frasor, a probable mediocre prospect and maybe Type B compensation. Must we give away good starting pitching in every f***ing trade? Go over budget spending a s*** ton of money on players who don't produce so then you're apparently forced to dump good starting pitching for a reliever, a prospect that I assume will be mediocre and a supp. pick in a god damn seller's market because your team sucks and thus attendance is s*** and you need to start slashing payroll. I pray the prospect is good but I don't see why Toronto would throw in a minor leaguer that's worth a damn, it makes no sense.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 07:35 PM) Maybe someone wanted Lilli as a throw in? I was actually thinking the same thing, aside from the fact that he K's about 30% of the time and probably isn't all that good at baseball Lillibridge is an ideal NL bench player, with all the rumors involving NL clubs it makes sense.

What Aramis and his agent would be looking at is this offseason's free agent market, the thirdbase options consist of Aramis Ramirez and Aramis Ramirez. It's bone dry. And with him being one of 5 3B with an .800+ OPS this season, 3 with an .850+ and 3 with a .360+ wOBA. He's the only option on the free agent market at a position that's seen a precipitous -- if not anomalistic -- drop in offensive production this season. Aramis doesn't strike me as the kind of player willing to bet on himself by taking good guaranteed cash up front and putting off free agency another year risking a down season and a poor return in free agency as opposed to going for the multi-year deal in a weak market. I could see him getting $30M fairly easily, all it takes is one team and that team is typically out there year in and year out.

For context this was the post I was referring to in the post I re-posted above: QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 06:09 PM) Rasmus is hitting like Beckham and playing a little less than average defense. Its amazing Beckham is a bust but the Sox would have a hard time getting someone like Rasmus. So you've invoked Beckham's name yet again in comparison to Rasmus and it seems Rasmus' defense has gone from "less than average" to Mackowiak-bad in the course of 2 weeks. His D hasn't been good and he's struggled the past 2 months while pissing off his manager, seemingly because he doesn't care for McGwire but he's still young, crazy talented and doing certain things well on a whole that show off that potential such as his BB rate. If you're going to give up some major league talent and take a chance on a guy better it be a talented 24 year old who's having a bad year but is coming off a terrific season and will still be fairly cheap next year than a veteran making bank or a rental.

Rasmus has been "garbage" since the end of April yet his OPS since May 1st is 25 points higher than Beckham's season long OPS. QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) Yeah, batting average wise but Rasmus is still sporting a .329 wOBA which is well above league average (.315) and was a 4 WAR player last season with a .366 wOBA. Beckham's wOBA is at .297 right now and .305 last season, not good. The thing to love about Rasmus is his 11% walk rate the past 2 seasons with his K rate going from 27% last season down to 20% this season meanwhile Gordon's BB rate is down in the 5's (something he said he wasn't going to worry about this season) and his K rate of 18.5% last season is up to 19.3% this season, right there with Rasmus. You can argue the defensive side of things with Rasmus putting up below average UZR numbers the past 2 seasons and Gordon kicking ass at 2B but their offensive production isn't exactly comparable right now. And yeah, Gordon's a bust because he hasn't produced at all with the bat after excelling as a rookie meanwhile Rasmus is still doing certain things well and struggling with others coming off a very good 2010 at the plate (the .351 BABIP was concerning). That's what I posted on the topic a few weeks back, not much has changed since then. It's the 11% walk rate that Rasmus sports, that's one of the big reasons why his potential is so high, even in a s***ty season when he's fallen apart over the past 2 months (his May was decent, dammit) he's still sporting a good walk rate and his K rate is down from last season, these are good things. Meanwhile Beckham's fallen apart over the past 2 seasons and we've seen his BB rate plummit and his K rate increase.

Magglio Ordonez hit .307 with an .889 OPS in a White Sox uniform, he was a pretty good "pure hitter". Not sure I'm ready to put Viciedo ahead of Maggs.