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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 11:13 AM) From SoxMachine: I thought it was interesting, but I don't like the idea of flipping Paulie and Gooch. Konerko grounds into too many double plays for my taste, and I wouldn't want him batting while Podsednik's on first. Konerko does crappy as a 3 hole hitter. Dye did well last year at the end as the 3 hole hitter. But I would be reluctant to taint Dyes great hitting right now.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 11:09 AM) A bad night by the opposition starter. Well lucky for us, John Koronko is basically poo who throws lefty. If we cant put up a say, 5 spot on this guy then we should have more batting practice.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 10:51 AM) I completely agree that the approach of the hitters needs to change but don't you think the pitching is putting us into too many holes, causing the hitters to press? Our staff ERA is miserable, especially the starters. I would like to see Bmac in the rotation with Tracey the back end of the piggy back until Bmac can be stretched out. Freddy traded for something, a reliever or a young pitcher that can be a reliever.

I think the biggest thing we can do to help jump start the offense. Is to back to hitting line drives and stop trying to hit home runs when we have RISP. All I am seeing is either our guys rolling over on an outside pitch, or popping it up. This is what we saw time in and time out from the 2001-2004 whitesox. If they start to keep a level swing, and just try to keep the line moving instead of clearing the bases with one swing we will see better results.

“As soon as they score runs, everybody’s kind of, ‘Oh, we lost already,’æ” Buehrle said. This speaks volumes about their mental state right now.

QUOTE(holly wiggins @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 09:44 AM) Yeah, they should trade Buehrle now. Who the freak does he think he is, letting down the "fans" like this?! I say we teepee his house. Also, no team has ever come from 6.5 back on July 22 to win; and this team definitely doesn't have the tools to do it. I'm giving away the rest of my season tickets, since there's no point even watching the Sox anymore. Get a grip. A pitcher who has been rock-solid for half a decade goes into the worst slump of his career, and you're trashing him? Classy. Whatever his problems are he needs to man the fish up. This team feeds off of starting pitching, and Buerhle needs to get better quickly. The only positive I took from last nights start with Buerhle, is after he got rocked he started running his cutter in on the hands of the RHs and got some Ks. But I am not declaring he has turned the corner until he can do this for an entire game. We have another guy on the staff right now, who looks like Cy Young for 5 innings, then looks like Jimmy from the over 40 league for an inning.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 01:08 AM) And morons. People cheering during the Rangers rally in the 6th(or 7th I don't remember which) because the wave was going around the park. Unacceptable. There were a bunch of morons wearing tiger hats cheering on the Rangers in my section.

QUOTE(stretchstretch @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 09:38 AM) We need to focus on our box score where we continue game after game to have 3 times as many hits as we do runs (if not worse). Yes pitching has the issues we've beat to death, but fact is our offense is not jumping all over anybody to put the pressure on THEIR pitchers to keep runs down, and THEIR hitters to catchup!! If we can start putting up 3 and 4 spots in the first inning again, with some nice bunting, base stealing, key singles and occasional dinger, pitching just MIGHT have a chance to settle down and reverse the pressure.....IMHO of course Our offense has been there all year long. Offenses go throw periods where it slumps. However our pitching has been crap most of the year. Our team feeds off of starting pitching. How much pressure is on our offense when they see a 5 spot go up in an inning on one of our starters. If our pitching comes around, our offense will be fine. The pitching needs to man up.

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 12:51 AM) hopefully we win tomorrow....and everyone else important loses...at least the Yanks lost. The twins won, and I fear them more. Their pitching is a tad bit better than the Ponson lead Yanks.

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 12:48 AM) ya well, if you think about our pitching not putting us in that situation...don't play the what-if game, it will never end. That play had nothing to do with tonights outcome. But saying it was a good throw is a bit myopic. If the ball is hit anywhere beyond I would say, halfway between the infield and the warning track, Pods has no chance to throw a guy out. His arm is absolutely terrible. In all situations, he should get it into the cutoff man, who can deliver a strike. If he does throw someone out on a fly ball deep, its because they fell over on the way into the plate.

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 12:37 AM) you are just plain wrong with Pod's throw. I was there, it was actually a decent throw, and it was middle to deep left field on a semi fast runner. Also it was a line drive which are much harder to gain momentum on, on the throw home. Few people would have gotten him out if any. I was at the game also in section 134. It wasnt a line drive, it was a well hit fly ball. Pods could of settled behind the ball to setup his throw, but he didnt. And he had no fishing chance at all of throwing him out. Hit the cutoff man when you have a noodle arm.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 22, 2006 -> 12:20 AM) Mazzone's done jack with the Baltimore SP's this season regardless. But yes, Coop has fixed some guys like Thornton, but unfortunately more importantly, others like Buerhle and Garcia have gone backwards big time this season, and it may end up costing us a playoff spot when it's all said and done. Soft tossers without location are meat in the majors. Buerhle has had good control, up until about a month ago. Garcias control hasnt been pinpoint his entire career. The fact that he has no velocity means that unless the team is super aggressive, they just wait it out and he will give them the cookie they deserve. Too bad we didnt draft a guy like Garza or Carillo. We keep drafting soft tossers who can barely break a plain of glass. Hopefully this experience with soft tossing freddy and Buerhle without control, will start to get the draft in the right direction.

This rotation needs more bmac.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 11:49 PM) Hawk sure as hell hasn't mentioned his name lately. In the past, he's practically been his cheerleader. Earlier in the season, when a runner was sent and thrown out, the excuse to explain such a decision was, "Cora is one of the best I"ve ever seen at third base. He isn't afraid to push the envelope. Sometimes it doesn't work, more than not it does." Now? Silence. Every outfielder has seemingly adopted strong arms with tremendous accuracy. Well except our LF, I am sure that Kong and AJ would score on that arm. Noodles should just hit the cutoff man and be done with it. The minute I see a nice arch at about 75mph flying past the cutoff man I want to leave my seat and and vomit. Both of my brothers were at this game. One is a cubs fan, and he outside of being an ass had a few good points. He said he finally knew what happened to Wendell Kim. He got some plastic surgery and reappeared on the southside. He also pointed out, that Konerko looks like he just wants to murder every single ball. And he looks tight.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) Has anyone been listening to the Fuzzy Pink Bunny do the Sox Post Game show tonight? I would LOVE to hear how he's attempted to spin this one. FPB's optimistic spin on this was we played good defense. Of course he must of been at the bathroom when Anderson broke back on the ball and let it hit in front of him. Or when Crede decided to drop the liner hit right at him. I was at this abortion of a game. I had excellent seats, however the product on the field was worth a look from the 10000 foot level Pauly is in his pull only mode. When he gets into this, you see the following. Lots of ground outs to the SS and 3rd baseman. Or the occasional popup to the right side, more or so to the 1st baseman in foul ground. This is caused by attempting to pull a ball away. When Paul gets into this funk you also get him slamming his bat into the ground. One of his bats actually went up the 3rd baseline quite a bit on his slam. This entire team is in a pull mode right now. Right handers are slapping the ball to the left side on the ground, and the lefties are doing the same thing to the right side. We are an easily pitched to team these days. Throw it low and away and you have us. When they start hitting line drives, and trying to hit the ball where its pitched is the minute we start hitting more and more line drives. We currently look like a softball team out there. On the postgame show, Ozzie said he talked to his team about getting down on themselves. That the minute the opposition scores some runs, they feel that here we go again. That is a more damning statement as far the mood of the team. Our pitching is crap. Buerhle has to give up the most back to back jacks I have seen Because he wants to make sure he gets that get me over fastball after giving up a dong to get ahead, they get a cookie pretty much everytime. This is pretty much the first time I heard loud boos with Buerhle at the game. Joey Cora is a moron. Who the fish sends a catcher who hasnt even rounded third on a nearly caught liner to center. He was so out it was embarrassing. Does this guy have a clue on how to be a third base coach. This is about the billionth time he has killed a rally sending one of our slowest guys. Ozuna, Pods sure take the chance. But no he waves his arms when Kong, AJ or Crede are dashing around the bases.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 05:12 PM) Spectacular I GOT MAD MS PAINT SKILLZ. Well heres to a whitesox winner. My brother just called with tickets for the game. Hopefully I am on later for a nice EAT spiff Rangers thread from Nuke.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 05:00 PM) It was pretty damn funny hearing Bernstein and a-bat-a-cola ripping on Rongey for being Mr. Sunshine, atleast it's not just the listeners that are sick of his endless optimism and sugar coated pre/post game shows. Ok, from now on Rongey is the fuzzy pink bunny, it suits him.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 04:46 PM) According to Chris Rongey (he needs a damn nickname, Ranger sucks) 11 White Sox players were out there today taking bunting practice. bout.fishing.time Rongey is should be dubbed the fuzzy pink bunny. Because he is so sweet on the sox and nothing is ever wrong. They could get rocked 99 to nothing, and every starter could be hurt and he would find a sweet point about something that has nothing to do with the game or the outcome.

Dan Bernstein is reporting that several players are out today with extended bunting practice. My suggestion, have them do this more. Not just after they fish up. Edit: Note to mods and admins Can we at least change the swear replacement filter to use the word fock instead of fish. I know its so sox-r-us and all. But at least fock sounds better in a sentence than Fish.

Only a moron would pick having electricity run through them over a shot.

QUOTE(MichiganBorn @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 11:47 AM) I agree whole heartedly. Just like I truely wish that I could see a defensive back pick off a pass or fumble from Terrel Owens or Chad Johnson and do a dance or celebration in the endzone. It think its part of the game. I think its the thin line and of course people will support the players on their favorite teams. Thats just why I asked. I didn't see a big deal but I figured I was being a homer. I think if you look back on history was Fisk's jumping up and down over the top? Maybe but it was in celebration of an amazing moment. Was Gibson's arm pumping too much? Who knows, but its memorable and a timeless image of that moment. (I'm not placing Zumaya in that class just speaking to celebration) Bobby Jenks is obviously one of my favorite players. And he has a signature fist pump on a big strikeout. Emotion carries these types of pitchers.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 11:12 AM) Thanks to the elections though, Hezbollah is a major part of the government in that country. They also provided some non-trivial amount of the country's public services. At some level, doesn't that fact wind up almost requiring him to take their side, because without their support, his government may very well fall? And once again, this just proves my point; you can't bomb people enough to make them like you. The only way a U.N. force would work is if the U.N. force went in with teeth. Literally tens of thousands of soldiers, with heavy equipment, armor, etc., and a direct mandate to force Hezbollah to disarm. Thus far, there's been no where near a large enough U.N. presence in that country to even make a dent in Hezbollah's arms supply. The U.N. literally would have to go in as if it were going to war, because that's what it would be if it wanted to do an effective job. The only way the middle east problem gets fixed either two ways. The arabs realize that Israel will exist and will be there and gets used to it. Or we pack up all the jews and move them somewhere else. Thats pretty much about it. The goofy terrorists that makeup Hezbollah or Hamas dont want a Palestinian state. They want the jews out, and then Israel to become Palestine. How else do you explain over and over that Hezbollah is lobbing missles over for years. You have a group of people that will always want to drive the jews into the sea. No matter what you say thats pretty much a big feeling over in the middle east.

QUOTE(MichiganBorn @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 10:46 AM) Guys, I'm a Tigers fan so I feel like I'm probably bias here. I was reading an article in Sun-Times about the game yesterday. I'm not rubbing anything in. I'm just wondering if the Sox Fans on here agree with the article that Zumaya got too excited after the strike outs in the 8th. Again I'm a Tigers fan so short of the guy full out taunting I'll probably let it slide. That being said I don't mind celebration. As long as it isn't ridiculous or for routine things. Heres the article Sun-Times Article Thanks. No problem at all. I am sure that the next time Konerko hits a dong off of him, when Konerko flips the bat or stares at the ball going into the dark of the night that Zumaya just remembers that its part of the game.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 12:08 PM) Given that the Israeli bombings have targeted the Lebanese army just as much as they've targeted Hezbollah, this is simply not going to happen. Not a chance in Hell. You want someone other than the Israelis to work to dismantle Hezbollah, your ONLY option is going to be some sort of international force. There's just no one else. Remember this simple fact; bombing people does not make them like you. Israeli jets bombing the Hell out of Lebanon don't make the Lebanese army go "Yeah, let's go help those guys out". International Forces have worked so well previously in other parts of the world.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jul 21, 2006 -> 10:37 AM) Totally agree. The only hope I hold out is that Contreras had the "stuff" 1st half last season but couldn't get it done. Now look at him. I like Javy's pitching; he gets some good movement on that ball. You just want him to get over the damn hump already--ya know? Remember the problem with Contreras was that he would rely on his forkball too much and wouldnt throw his fastball. Now we have Vaz who has a mid 90s quality moving fastball and he is afraid to throw it in clutch situations. Very similiar. Hopefully the turnaround is the same.