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QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) For the type of team the Sox wanted, Lee sucked. Why again.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) Santana throws first pitch strike 95% of the time. Swing away, swing away. Yes this could make this game last about an 1 hour, but it is our only hope. I still say this is the best approach, and Farmio and Rooney have echoed it a few times in games. Try and hit Santana's fastball to right field. If he gets the change on you, you will pull it, but most likely will still pull it fair. Currently we gear up for the fastball and pull the change if we do make contact foul.

His nickname should be WALKIN EVERYONE SHOULD WALK HIM

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:02 AM) How the hell did he get the nickname "Pronk"? Combination of Project and Donkey. He is built like a mule and his nick in the minors was project. Hence PRONK.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 09:46 AM) Accoding to the Copley News Service: Thursday, September 22, 2005 Feeling so stressed out that he regularly vomits and feeling unappreciated by Chicago's boo-first fans, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen says he might quit after the season if his team wins the World Series. "I've got (championship) rings already and I'm proud of them, but if I win here, if I help the White Sox do this, it will give me a chance to walk away if I want to," an emotional Guillen told me before Wednesday night's 8-0 loss to the Cleveland Indians. "I will think about it. I will think about it twice. The way I'm thinking right now, I will tell (general manager) Kenny Williams to get another manager and I'll get the (bleep) out of here. I'll make more money signing autographs instead of dealing with this (bleep)." I have heard Ozzie say some wild things during his two seasons as Sox skipper, but this one floored me. Here's a 41-year-old, second-year manager who has guided a modestly talented team to the American League's best record, a guy who in just a few weeks could be the first Chicago manager in 88 years to spray championship champagne, a former White Sox All-Star who gets misty-eyed when discussing his love of the organization ... and he is seriously contemplating his grand exit. I wanted to make sure I heard him correctly, so I asked him repeatedly to clarify his comments. And he kept saying the same things, often raising his voice to accentuate certain points. "I'm not kidding, not at all," Guillen said. "I want the fans to be able to say, 'Hey, we finally did it!' I want to make them proud. I want to win the World Series, and then maybe i'm gone. I'll even help Kenny look for someone else. "I don't give a (bleep) about the money; I've got all I need. The thing is, I'm stressed every day. "Do I have the best job in the world? Yes, because I'm managing the team I love. I'm managing my team. But every time we lose, I feel sick. I (vomit) sometimes. I get mad. I throw things in my office. It makes me crazy. "I went to the World Series as a player (with Atlanta) and won one as a coach (with Florida). If I can do it as the manager here, I can say: 'Everything I want to do in baseball, I did it.' Then I'll make my decision." Frankly, I doubt Guillen will have to worry about winning the World Series. Although Wednesday's loss reduced their one-time 15-game AL Central lead over Cleveland to 21/2 games, I still think the Sox will make the playoffs (perhaps only as a wild-card team). I simply don't believe they have enough firepower or pitching to advance beyond the first round. The Indians are so much more talented it's ridiculous. Travis Hafner alone is as good as any three White Sox. Nevertheless, with the division lead dwindling, many fans are taking out their frustrations on Guillen. A half-hour after telling dozens of reporters that he didn't mind being booed at U.S.Cellular Field - even joking about "the 30,000 managers helping me out" - Guillen showed his vulnerable side during our long conversation. "It makes me sad when they boo me," he said. "Sometimes I think they don't appreciate me. They should, because I played my (bleep) off for them and now I'm managing my (bleep) off for them. "You know how many managers are dying for 91 wins right now? And we have that and they don't appreciate that? It makes me wonder what happens if I only have 71 wins, how are they gonna treat me? I mean, they treat me like (bleep) when I'm winning 91. "My kids are here at the ballpark and they ask me later why I'm getting booed. I say it's part of my job, but deep down inside, it hurts. If I was doing a (bleep) job, sure, go ahead and boo me, but I think I'm doing pretty good." So do I. With his boundless energy, confident personality, brutal honesty, zany (and often profane) sense of humor and aggressive style, Guillen convinced a completely retooled team - one many preseason prognosticators predicted would finish in fourth place - to believe it could accomplish anything. The White Sox have blown most of their 15-game lead largely because the starting pitchers have slumped these last seven weeks. Just when it seemed the Sox were ready to choke completely, Guillen led them to a series victory in Minnesota. Then came the first two games of the Cleveland series, in which the Indians kept taking leads and Ozzie's resilient Sox kept battling back. If the White Sox do qualify for postseason play, credit Tuesday's stirring comeback. Guillen's forceful, can-do attitude played a huge role in that triumph - and in the team's other 32 one-run victories. Though it's easy to quibble with in-game decisions, the true measure of any manager is his ability to steer his ship through both smooth and choppy waters. That's why he's often called a "skipper." Ozzie Guillen has been a superb skipper. If White Sox fans don't realize that, they don't deserve him. Mike Nadel is the Chicago sports columnist for Copley News Service. Write to him c/o Journal Star sports, 1 News Plaza, Peoria, IL 61643 or e-mail [email protected]. I am glad he has the stones for the job. f***ing pathetic. I do believe that he made a comment in his press conference that he was hired to eventually be fired. Year 2 into it and his first pennant race and he cant handle it.

QUOTE(LauraJ14 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 09:46 AM) Cleveland's defense didn't wow me this series, especially last night when Belliard on a popup to second basically made Blake run almost to the infield dirt to catch while he stood and pointed to it. The difference is that you can play over mistakes if you are raking the ball, and pitching well. Which they did. When we make a mistake it can cost us the game.

Last year we had two guys K more than 100 times. That was Paulie with just over a 100 and Valentin with 139. So far this year. Arow 112ks wtih 29bb Gooch 109ks with 45bbs Kong 103ks with 73bbs Dead has 95ks and Everett has 91ks. The free swinging Juan Uribe has only 73ks.

Everett is now batting .169 with a .596 OPS for the f***ing month of September. Keep trotting this long looping swinging fool who is going for the dong every single AB out there as the number 3 hitter.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 08:30 AM) Rita is starting to experience shearing - it's not going to be a cat 5 for long. It is going through eyewall replacement right now. It will weaken a bit, then possibly strenghten again.

The magic number for the wild card is really six. Wildcard Magic number is officially 8. But with New York and Boston in a virtual tie. One of them will lose 2 games in that last series. Those two teams are not going to win out till that series. They are not that good. We should get in, unless we do something f***ing stupid.

QUOTE(Colorado Sox Fan @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 07:54 AM) Not to worry. We're in first. We're the best team in the AL. We have been the best team since April. Ozzie is a genius. We play great small ball. LMAO@ Your avatar. I think I have posted that pic a few times in a game thread recently.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 07:33 AM) You would figure we could score a few runs by happenstance tonight. We couldn't score last night, we didn't score against Johan his last two starts so.......I think i'm just being overally optimistic. Probably bad news for all of us. And SSI you have officially lost it, Shamrock shakes? With 40% of the soxtalk population posting with a f***ing rally monkey with joe credes picture on it, my shamrock shake still has more sanity to it. Rally Cruddy. LOL I am going with a new approach tonight. Our hitters should close their eyes and just throw the bat out there. There is like a 1% chance of the bat just hitting the ball. It might be the break we need.

MAKE THE TWINKEES EAT s*** We cant hit Santana, and the twinks can hit either. Lets shock the world and beat this f***ing lefty. ITS TIME FOR LUCK OF THE IRISH MR. MCCARTHY Its green for shamrock shake luck. Not for sarcasm.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) Sox fail to reach the postseason I expect blame to be distributed throughout the organizaton. Guillen's managerial tactics, Williams absence of midseason trades, season extending offensive woes, and our starting pitching failing down the stretch will all be throughly discussed and attributed to any further collapse. My first concern this offseason is upgrading this offense. If we're placing immunity on Ozzie and Williams (which appears to be clear throughout Soxtalk) because "players decide the games," well, it's only fitting to revamp a lineup comprised of inconsistent choke artists. You blame the players? It's up to management to fix it. Honestly, whether this team falls short or celebrates a World Series I'm not anticipating another year of this shoddy lineup. Sure, Williams and his coherts may suggest "How can you break up a lineup which won a World Series." Or "How can you break up a team that won 95+ games." Concern lies on our pitching mimmicking its success of this year, and our lineup continuing to struggle. I realize both are mutually exclusive, and it's quite possible both may improve, but it this likely? Cleveland may be ready for another run at the division. No time to be content with mediocrity because of the "weak" American League Central. Damn, this should would be a good opportunity to showcase some of our up-and-coming talent!!!!! Wouldn't it be nice for once every four years not to worry about a position occupied by a struggling or FA bound player because a replacement was waiting in the wings? Sure would. Coming to the final end. We are 11th out of 14 teams in the AL in BA .263, the royals are just below us at .262. Last year we hit 268 as a team with maggs and thomas out for half the year. We are 12th in the AL in hits. We are last in doubles(the line drive stat). And 12th in the AL in OBP. We are 11th in the league in taking walks. But shockingly we are 4th in homers in the AL. We will hit 200 again. Which seems impossible after removing so much power. What does this add up to, an impatient power swinging team that strikes out a lot and makes little contact. When they do make contact it goes a far way. A far cry from the ozzie ball we were told about.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 10:01 PM) That's the thing. I really have no feeling on Walker one way or the other either. But it would be nice if they took a different approach at Santana tomorrow night. Taking all his fastballs and swinging aimlessly at his change gets you shutout, and possibly no hit. Well its going to get ugly for the offense. Lets see if they have any balls. We face Santana tomorrow night. Then Cy Lohse who f***ed us up last time. Then we face Radke and then our course the 4 horseman of death for the white sox offense, Lefty, never seen before, good change, wild (Liriano)

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:39 PM) We will get 1 tomorrow off of Santana. I'm hopeful. Still. Santanas line tomorrow will be 8 innings 1 hit, 14ks, no walks and no runs.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:42 PM) Sox #3 hitter .249 23 homers Indians #9 hitter .243 23 homers You are right about Everett, although he was pretty good the first 2 months filling in for Thomas. Imagine if the Sox had a guy like Hafner hitting 3rd. It is imperative KW finds offense, big offense this winter. We traded away our number 3 hitter last year. Every offseason we pick up some junk and hope it works out for us. The lightening in a bottle theory. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:21 PM) Well that's your opinion and you're more than entitled to it. My opinion is the players have stopped performing well. The same players who were performing better earlier in the year. Last I checked, the game is played in between the lines and to me, that's where most of the credit/blame lies. We have been shuffling talent on and off this team for years. Last year we got rid of Valentin and Lee. Who do we get rid of now?

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:03 PM) Really? It's baseball, nothing is ever easy. Oh wait, edit, except for all the arm chair managers. Especially when we f*** ourselves. Lost 2 out of 3 to the Royals 2 times this month.

QUOTE(thepronk @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 08:54 PM) CHOKE-AGO WHITE SUX TRAVIS HAFNER IS THE MVP FEAR THE FIGHTING BRAVES OF THE CUYAHOGA!!!! I cant wait till the PC crowd finally gets their way, and you become the Cleveland Steamers because indians is too racist. LOL

Our hitters also seem to miss the 91 mph fastball down the cock with such regularity. Same pitch to the injuns gets parked into the stands.

I like the dip the back shoulder and launch approach our hitters have tonight. Its working for them. I love it when dogs*** pitching PWNS this worthless offense.

BORCHARD IS UP.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 08:40 PM) Never once did I say I'd rather have Pods over Sizemore all things being equal. I said that Pods is a much better #1 hole hitter and better at getting on base when you need it. Many people also remember when Bagdhad Bob was in a game thread the two Santana starts ago against the sox that he would rather have Buerhle than Santana. That because Buerhle's ERA was better.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) Didn't Garland outpitch santana last year in a 1-0 game? His ERA against the sox is .86 this year. So Brandon needs to give up less than .86 to have a chance.