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QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:49 AM) Because most proven vets having down years will probably rebound---Dye, PK, Everett, AJ. Chavez is a proven vet who also is likely to rebound. But unproven guys like Crede, Uribe, [even Pods and Rowand fit into this category] may not. If the Sox can get a proven young guy who has superb defense, and can hit for power and avg from the left side, the sox would have one less question mark in their everyday lineup. Plus his value is a bit lower when he isnt lighting it up.

QUOTE(trexer @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) Wrong. They would continue to walk him, especially if the bases were not loaded. In order to maximize the chances of his being able to get pitches in the strike zone, it would be best to have another high avg hitter in Rowand's place so as to increase the chances of a bases loaded situation when the big guy comes up to the plate. Check out Arows average and then compare it to the rest of the team. Pods/Gooch/Arow gives us the best opportunity to have the bases loaded over anyone else. Kong needs to start hitting or Dye needs to flip in his place. Your comments are what I made when people thought that Thomas was going to change the offense on this team. We need people in front on him to get on, and we need people behind him that can drive in runs. Thomas has a great eye and is someone they pitch around.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) Agreed totally. Even if it takes one of our premier OF's in the minors, we know that there is going to be only one available spot for them anyway, either Anderson or Sweeney is going to make it up, the other will be stuck behind Rowand and SPODS, both of them we wont get rid of. So whatever it takes to get this done, I am behind it, not only for this year, but for the future as well, considering we have jack s*** for 3B prospects right now (fields doesnt have the numbers Crede did and isnt a good fielder) this would fit our system. I agree it will cost either Sweeney or BA. I am fine with giving up one of those guys and Crede and maybe a guy like Tracey. I do not want to give up Gio or Bmac. Both of those have too high of ceilings as SP. We have two aging cubans that will need to be replaced in the future 2006/2007. We have OF prospecs up the ying yang. We have Jenks now which makes Tracey expedable. I am not saying make the trade, I am just saying make it understanding that he is having a bad year and it wont cost us the farm 100%.

QUOTE(marsh @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) Maybe because he's only had three at bats at the Major league level this year. Maybe because walking him brings the winning run to the plate. I agree with you though, I wouldn't have pitched to him, my point was more about what frank brings to this offense. I think we need to have Pods Gooch Arow then Frank in the lineup. Pods/Gooch get on base and hit to all fields. Arow has been great in the 3 hole. He hits the ball with power to the gaps. And will do even better with protection behind him. They would have to pitch to frank in this situation. Men on, and Frank who hits with power to all fields and lives on mistakes would drive in a ton of runs.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:23 AM) Per ESPN, as of today, in the AL vs. RHP, the sox are 13th in avg, 14th in OBP, 13th in SLG, 11th in Runs, and 12th in XBH. Even if /when Dye, PK, Frank, et al catch fire, most guys have hit lower vs RHP in their careers. Getting an everyday player who hurts RHP would help lift the Sox offense. If he's healthy, no doubt Chavez would be an improvement over Crede vs RHP. Our BA is bad against righties because most of them throw our righties away and they are incapable of not pulling the outside pitch.

QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) I hope the trade gets done would love to see Chavez on the Sox.. Do you think it might even be a bigger trade than just Chavez coming. I read that Eric Byrnes&barry Zito will also get traded Maybe Crede,BMac and Anderson for Chavez&Zito I know everyone loves Chavez because he has a great glove and has had a good stick. But where this season has he done a damn thing to warrant giving up our best prospects.

Why would you pitch to Frank. He is a future HOF and hits to all fields. Behind him you have a guy who hasnt seen a pitch he doesnt like. Pulls the ball only. Tomahawks the ball at his head. And spins like a top.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:50 AM) if you see a high pitch like that and you tamohawk it, it'd gonna fly - far. uribe was just a hair too early, otherwise im pretty sure you wouldnt be complaining about his pitch selection would you? So after Thomas draws a bases loaded walk you suggest that the next hitter swings at a pitch over his head, because a tamahawk can send it a far way. It was a terrible pitch to swing at. If you are defending the fact he swung at it then I suggest you review that pitch sequence a bit. Can someone screw in uribe's front foot. The damn thing is spinning like a top. When Uribe goes good his front foot moves a bit. When he is going like s*** and K's a bunch, his front foot swings like a top.

QUOTE(ISF @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:44 AM) What I'm saying is those people wouldn't be complaining if his free swinging had resulted in a HR. And it almost did. Had that ball been fair, how many people are yapping about Uribe's free-swinging? Exactly. Actually if that was a home run, I would of said the same thing. I would of said he swung at a pitch over his head and pulled shamrocks out of his ass.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:43 AM) Plus, Uribe was something like .400 in bases loaded situations. He almost knocked that one out of the park. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. This may have been one of those games we had to lose to maintain some of the health of our bullpen. Sometimes you swing at a pitch over your head? That swing was terrible. He should of never even attempted to make contact with that pitch. 90% of the time when you make contact with that pitch it gets popped up. I give him props for getting good wood on it, but good lord that was terrible pitch selection to swing at with a guy who has struggled to throw strikes.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:43 AM) Per the Daily Herald, Frank is going back on the DL. So Ozzie probably won't send anyone down. Of your choices? Jizzcan. Is there an all of the above option.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) Uribe was a little quick on that one pitch last night or they would have won. Why again was he swinging for the fences with a ball at his head. He spun like a top and tomahawked a head high pitch. And what everyone forgets is that this is a pitcher who has just walked a few and has had a controls problems tonight. Take a pitch and dont swing at everything like a mope. Gooch in that spot, takes a few pitches then either draws the walk or gets a better pitch to hit.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:12 AM) True. I guess I was making more of a point that Ozzie gives some mid-level to poor guys a free pass: Timo and Damaso Whereas some very talented players have to grab some bench as soon as they do anything wrong: Frank Thomas and Tad Iguchi We have a guy who has had a few walks and is a bit shaky. The bases are loaded, and we have a guy who is a free swinging home run cut guy who will be swinging for the fences if the ball is anywhere near the plate. The almost home run, was a ball head high that he tomahawked. He spins like a top and cant hit the outside pitch. We have a pitch with a good breakin pitch that he throws outside. I would of pinch hit Gooch in that situation. He draws another walk or better yet puts the ball in play and keeps the line moving. I wouldnt of used Konerko in that situation. We dont need guys swinging for the fences in that situation. Its nice to see the minute we get home, the morons start taking cuts for the moon. This is why our offense last year would score 14 in one game and then get 2 hit in the next.

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:48 PM) I agree that it makes no sense from the standpoint of this game, but I don't think the outcome of this early season game was the motivation for using Walker. This was the last chance they had to see Walker pitch before El Duque comes back. The team obviously saw something in him, or they wouldn't have brought him up in the first place. What that something is, I don't know, but I don't work for the Sox farm system. I'm guessing that Walker was slated to pitch today regardless of the game situation. It's actually beneficial that he was put into a critical situation. If the Sox had been up or down by a bunch, that component of his evaluation would be missing. I see it as a big picture move, not a game move. If this were September in the same situation, I highly doubt Ozzie would have used Walker. He could of ran Walker out there for a few innings on Friday and Sunday and called it a year. Why bring this turd in with the game on the line. Its a slap in the face to the players on the team and the fans to put a midget who hasnt played first and a joker who cant pitch out on the mound. This is a joke.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:44 PM) I agree fathom , Its also well know that Gload is promised a roster spot anyway. This just doesn't make sense. if they want to spell konerko bring up gload, that simple. I think the guy is batting over 300 in AAA. I will step out and say I would rather have glaod in the outfield if needed than timo at first, and I am not a gload fan. I think Timo just needs to leave. Harris/Ozuna/Everett can all play the outfield just as good as no range Timo. Gload can hit a heck of a lot better than Omit. Gload can play first a lot better than Omit. The only reason Gload isnt up is because that would make Omit expendable and who would tug at Ozzies nuts if Omit wasnt here. Burke could be up and play first. Why is a 5'7 midget who hasnt played 1st in the majors dancing around 1st dropping balls with a brand spanking new unbroken in mitt. Come on this isnt little league.

QUOTE(doUrememberwhen @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) I'm sorry if im the only one who thinks this 'out pitch' is inneffective at best. His outpitch is very inneffective if he throws it over and over and over like Mike Jackson did. If you spot two fastballs on the outside corner and then using his slider it will be fine. Brantley is a fat punk who is bitter and a nobody.

QUOTE(doUrememberwhen @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) Man if that's his best pitch, he's hurtin'. his slider is donkey dick and u know it, he doesnt simply hang it once in a count, it's every f***in time he throws it. Actually his slider is his out pitch. He should be using his fastball to get ahead of the hitter then using the slider to put them away. But he is using it like mike jackson did last year. Slider, slider, then he gets behind the count. fastball. This is the single reason why he gets hurt. He is pitching backwards.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:30 PM) Why do we bunt Pods into scoring position when he is the best base stealer in the majors, thus giving up an out? Why does he continue to have Contreras and Hernandez pitching back-to-back in the rotation? Why has he abandoned the hit-and-run? Why does every pitcher lose 3 mph from their fastball when they join our team? Answer #1 He has Uribe hitting behind him. The most impatient hitter in all of baseball. You cant tell this fool to take a pitch, so you are better off telling him to bunt. At least he cant strand the runner when he bunts. Follow up question. Why the hell is this free swinging slumping hitter batting in the 2 hole. You want a guy who is patient and has good bat control. I would rather wee willie that free swinging spin boy. Answer #2 Dont know. With El Duque coming back he could of bumped one of them. But he couldnt give Walker that one last chance to suck before he went down. Like him almost flipping us the bird on the way out of the stadium. Answer #3 Our hitters barely can make contact. You cant hit and run when they are all taking home run cuts in strategic ABs. Pull baseball son doesnt allow for the hit and run when you are falling over trying to park the outside pitch. Answer #4 We are a clean team and the roids dont work here.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:22 PM) I agree with why we hired Ozzie. However, how many times can we say something is a mental breakdown before it just become his decision making in general? My questions with this team. Why does Ozzie leave pitchers in after 100 pitches with the game on the line, then pull them to put a 7+ ERA mop up guy with the game on the line. Why are we a pull only team. Why is Timo on this team? Why was Walker on this team? Why isnt Ross Gload up, he is hitting like crazy and has been playing a good first base. Is Cotts/Viz/insert gascan here our best option for the best team in baseball. When will Cotts learn to throw strikes. When did Mike Jackson take over Viz's body. Why is Greg Walker still allowed to tweak our hitters, AJ his latest victim.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) Remember, as KW told me at Soxfest, Neal Cotts is better.... KW is on drugs then.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:18 PM) Still shoulda said okay and moved on. Not good for you, that's just being a smartass and stooping to Brantley's level. Same thing as calling Brantley a horses*** pitcher as he did in the Southtown. Just because Brantley is a classless jackass, doesn't mean Ozzie has to be one as well. We didnt hire Ozzie for his class or tact. We hired him to inspire the team and get the best out of them. If we only have to deal with a few mental breakdowns like this series great.

I dont have a problem with him in this situation. Brantley was an assclown. His apology was nothing more than the kotex boy smile at you once, s*** on you later. Ozzie didnt but it and gave him hell. Now on him starting Timo at 1st and using that turd walker out of the pen. Defenseless.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) And just the other day you were b****ing about Konerko playing. Then he has a day off, you still aren't happy. Imagine that. :rolly It makes sense to do this after you call up Gload, not when you have no glove Timo out in the field. The dude has a problem in the OF.

Why the f*** is Timo playing first. Can we bring Gload up. He at least knows how to play first. Nice to see a soft tosser=home run only swings Nice Sunday Jerry Manuel lineup today.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:59 AM) I smell 2 hits from crede tonight. I smell something also