3E8

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 09:54 PM) I dont think the debate is whose better Podsenick or Sizemore its whose the better leadoff man... and simply put if they were on the same team Podsenick would bat leadoff and Sizemore 2nd.... The debate is if you could choose one or the other to leadoff for your team, who would you choose?

Here are mine:

You deserve it, have a good time.

Ok I wanted to try making a vid. I know it says May but this is a collection of clips from April actually. It's a really large file so if you have dial-up I wouldn't try it. Enjoi! http://media.putfile.com/Sox-May-Highlights

QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) I would also venture to believe home town discounts do not exist.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) 2005 Pre All-Star: .345/.416/.591 18 SB, 5 CS 2005 Post All-Star: .274/.351/.419 9 SB, 5 CS Career numbers: 2001: 75 games, .253/.284/.341, 12 SB, 3 CS 2002: 38 games, .227/.308/.297, 9 SB, 2 CS 2003: 112 games, .270/.337/.367, 23 SB, 6 CS 2004: 159 games, .273/.344/.376, 29 SB, 12 CS So, based on his career numbers, those 2nd half numbers are right in-line. ok, I won't use the word disruptive if you don't use "stats"... talk about a complete asinine way to totally disregard something... can you be more ignorant? Maybe the pitchers only throw over to 1st base 4-5 times because Pods is a plodder... mayeb they throw fat pitches to the following hitters because they're thinking about what color to paint their bedrooms in their new mansions... Sheeesh. I guess all players in a batting order are interchangeable and you shouldn't expect anything different out of your #8 hitter as your leadoff hitter. You said a certain sample of games for Roberts made him look "mediocre at best". I compared them to Pods' second half numbers and showed that Roberts mediocre numbers were actually better than Podsednik's. Now you're throwing in Roberts' career numbers. I don't understand why. We were looking at a very specific sample which you labeled at or below average. There is no need to see how well the sample fits Roberts' previous numbers or where the outlier is or what Roberts career projects to be. All we are concerned with is that you indirectly called Podsednik's second half mediocre, while at the same time arguing that a large part of our offensive underproduction was due to him not playing. Also, when I said the thing about 15 other guys being better leadoff hitters than Pods, I said nothing about who was the best value, or guys who I should exclude because they would be a better 2-hole hitter instead. You added that in yourself! I am simply looking at other players around both leauges who had the majority of their at bats come from the leadoff position, who I would rather have leading off for our team than Scott. Stolen bases are obviously a huge factor in your definition of a leadoff hitter. I used to think that way too, but not as much anymore. I'm done arguing with you for awhile. Good day.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 11:00 AM) Oh, and as far as stealing music, I've read enough of these threads to know that you definitely wouldn't qualify. I'd agree that downloading music that is long out-of-print or unreleased is fine, but you and I both know that what people are pulling nowadays is incredibly f***ed up. They don't even think twice about it. I don't steal music, but I don't for a second feel sorry for the record companies. Did you know that consumers paid almost 500 million dollars in artificially inflated prices from '98 to '00? They colluded in order to hold back competition in the CD music market. Now that is f***ed up. The FTC got them for that one.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) That was the biggest part of it, but why were they in the lineup? Because Pods and Crede were hurt and I doubt they were missing Crede all that much in the #8 hole... Then again, if you can't measure it, it must not be real... :rolly Take out any everday starter, replace them with a hitting-challenged bench player, play an extended amount of games, and offensive production goes down. Especially when the guy who goes down is the one getting the most at bats every game. We know this already. How this fact makes Podsednik a terrific leadoff hitter, I do not see.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 10:36 AM) Brian Roberts had HALF a great year and fell back to previous performance in the second half, which was mediocre at best. "you can make stats tell you anything you want to hear" -You Roberts second half, which you label as "mediocre at best" 248 AB .274 AVG .351 OBP 31 BB 34 K 9 SB 5 CS Podsednik's second half 225 AB .284 AVG .326 OBP 13 BB 34 K 15 SB 14 CS So, Roberts is getting on base more, walking at a much higher rate, striking out at a lower rate, stealing bases at a better rate, all while being "mediocre at best". Please explain why you'd rather have Podsednik, without using the word disruptive or any variation of it.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 09:54 AM) Is that why their scoring production went through the floor? Because of the pitching? Let me guess...it was because we didn't have Pods' DISRUPTIVENESS! He wasn't there to disruptisize the pitcher and the catcher by make them expend their energy having to either catch him leanin' again or throw him out time after time at second base. Therefore they stayed fresher and mowed us down one by one. Or maybe it was becaue our the players now guaranteed the most at-bats in the game were Timo Perez/Pablo Ozuna and Geoff Blum was playing everyday.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 09:05 AM) I don't think that St. Louis regrets the trade seeing how they made the playoffs with Mulder. THey were not in a position to wait and see if Haren could win now. Shaded glasses? There is no helping your talk-radio mentality of having a winner and a loser in every trade and having to determine it RIGHT NOW. You are trying to sell this as Brock for Broglio and you are way off base Best pitching prospect...McCarthy League min. salary solid reliever...Cotts Best minor prospect not major league ready...Young It'd kind of be like if we offered this group of players together for a good #2 type starting pitcher this offseason. We could still make the playoffs in '06, but probably everyone here would resent the trade. I'll refrain from saying winner and loser in the future, but just evaluating it after year one, Oakland got better production and value out of the deal, not even considering minor league talent obtained.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 21, 2005 -> 12:30 AM) Well Oakland was at hoem for the playoffs and Daric Barton had zero major league hits this year so I fail to see how it was lopsided yet. Come on Punch, take off the Cardinal shaded glasses. I just showed above that St. Louis paid 10x more than what they needed to for lower production. And I see what you're saying about Barton, but he was tearing up AA at 19 years of age. Barring career ending injury or something, this trade will be looked on as laughibly lopsided in the future, even though it went undoubtedly in the A's favor for year one. Plus, I don't understand why Oakland has to make the playoffs when considering their value gained in this trade. A strong team can make a s***ty trade and still make the playoffs while a decent team can make a great trade and miss the postseason. Doesn't make the stronger team winner of the transaction in my mind.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 20, 2005 -> 10:53 PM) According to what? Win shares?? There aren't to many other guys I'd rather have leading off then scott, this team went down the f***in tubes when he was out. No. If I were using win shares, it'd be even uglier. Just look at the leadoff hitter for every team in MLB and objectively ask yourself, would we be better off with this guy over Pods? I think you'll be surprised. No one can prove that Pod's DL stint is solely what caused us to perform at a lower level. It was probably a combination of several things like enduring a much more difficult schedule, underperformance of the starting pitching staff, along with Pods not being in the lineup.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 20, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) Sorry, guys, but being a disruptive force like Eckstein, Figgins, Podsednik... THAT is the name of the game at the top of the order. Look at all the good leadoff hitters in the game... almost all of them were in the playoffs... Ichiro, Brady Clark, Brian Roberts, Brad Wilkerson, Carl Crawford, David DeJesus, etc... But yeah, almost all the good leadoff hitters in the game made the playoffs. If by almost all you mean less than half. :rolly There are at least 15 better leadoff hitters in the game than Podsednik, especially when he's running with a CS% over 50.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 20, 2005 -> 02:28 PM) now THERE was an exciting and thought provoking post. Just doing anything I can to artificially raise my post count, you know?

I think you got the cheap knockoff... "Ozuma, Rowland, Pieczynski, Contreas"

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Oct 20, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Sirius = Howard Stern XM = who cares? they dont have Howard Stern dot

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 20, 2005 -> 08:15 AM) I agree with that. And two teams with a lot of heart and class. BTW.. and OT, when is that last time the 2 teams with the best records in each league played in the WS..? I wanted the Cards for that reason. 1999 I believe. Yankees had 98 wins and Braves had 103 wins.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 19, 2005 -> 10:39 PM) I'm sure Jocketty cares so much about win shares. Huh? It's just a fun little tidbit for anybody who appreciates Sabermetrics.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 19, 2005 -> 10:30 PM) DAMN, my two favorite teams playing each other. My loyalties are always with the Sox, but I'd rather be beating up on any other NL team before the Astros. Me too. My favorite AL team (obviously) and my favorite NL team both break huge WS droughts in the same season. What are the odds?

Haren win shares = 15 Calero win shares = 5 Mulder win shares = 12 Net win shares lost = 8 Net salary added in '05 = $5,896,500 WHOOPS!

By the way, where the hell is Mr. Show and MST 3000 on that list?!

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Oct 19, 2005 -> 12:23 AM) Cito Gaston? He's from Texas.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 18, 2005 -> 11:43 PM) See thats what I dont get.... I understand and all for using condoms when you have sex but for oral.... why even bother than? So you don't get herpes.

Some girls will only give oral if the partner wears a condom. That's why they make the flavors, I think. They probably want different tastes than original latex or spermicidal lubricant.