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I wonder what 's the Sox record when giving up 4+ runs. It's got to be really bad. Most teams would be but Sox above and beyond.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:18 PM) I really hope Viciedo learns how to hit RHP and soon. It will end up being a liability in our division if not. Viciedo no idea of the strike zone today. He's trying to be more patience but ump not helping

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) 0-6 with five strikeouts for the number four and five hitters, yet Flowers is the problem with the offenses inability to score run. 0-9 3-4-5

Feldman getting both corners and high strikes. No wonder he's got no walks and 7 K's. Our hitters don't help either.

Now we need to get some balls up and out.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) DH Viciedo, play Wells in LF So you're leaving out Konerko or Dunn . I would think Dunn against a lefty then.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) Wells should have tagged up on that That's a bit of a stretch considering if Soriano misplays it you want to score or make it to 3rd. If you're tagging and he misplays it you only get to second.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) I would like to see Casper get a shot at some LH starters. He does have talent. A who's expense though ? Viciedo has to face lefties. Dunn ?

Well well Wells.

Flowers needs more Feldmans.

Cubs 2 runs 2 hits. Sox 1 run 4 hits, a stolen base, a perfectly executed hit and run , a perfect sac bunt. Rios, Dunn and De Aza all failing with RISP. Flowers comes through.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) On Peavy and Rios if I am privy to the trade offers for them I will give my opinion. Otherwise, it serves no purpose to say well I'll take player A. The purpose it serves is to make your opinions worth reading otherwise I'm finished with your rebuild, tear down ,he sucks ,send him down , spend money ,I don't know who I want or even what kind of team I want posts.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) He doesn't know of any specific solutions or he would point them out. He actually asked me to be specific in another thread with a ROTF. He's just one of those dump everyone guys who actually gets a bigger kick out of the White Sox not winning than winning. I wanted to see the gist of what he's been suggesting for a while before I said anything to him but you're right .He lacks depth in anything he says. He just throws stuff out there like the Sox history of not bringing people up when its needed. Yet you never see examples of this apparent trend . When De Aza and Viciedo were tearing up AAA in 2010 or 11 maybe I even wrote KW a letter asking him to bring them up but as far as a history of it I'd ask for more than that covering a few decades unless a history means in KW's tenure , which we don't know because it's all generic blathering with nothing to support it.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) How is Phegley taking over for Flowers not specific? You know I am talking about your 1/2 job of the rebuild you are suggesting.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:39 AM) Actually, I don't have a lot of time to write. I guess not since you can point out the problems but not the solutions in any specific terms.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) Well, we can replace them, so that's bad logic. Jones has an era of over 7 in the bullpen. I dont care if he is gone or not, but nearly any replacement would be better than him. I am fine with Gimenez getting a lot more at bats, but he is a bad MLBer too. Probably better than Flowers though. If you want the Sox to compete this year and I think you do since you want to try to ride a hot bat in Phegley then you must tell me who we should have in the pen. The bad logic is saying they can be replaced and still compete. But maybe I'm wrong and you think forget about competing this year and try for next year ?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:29 AM) You're ok with Flowers and Jones? What's that got to do with you finishing what you started ? You apparently have a lot of time to write. Go study other ML rosters and minor league systems and tell me who you want . I already know who you don't want.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:16 AM) Yep. We are talking about some of the worst players in all of MLB. Surprised to see anyone defend their roster spots. As for Phegley, he doesn't seem to be much of a prospect. We should probably not worry about his service time, lack of track record, or rushing him. At best we ride his hot bat for awhile and go from there. At worst, he is as bad as Flowers and it doesn't matter anyways. We move on and try to solve our catching woes. I have been suggesting Gimenez get more playing time for a few weeks now and apparently you don't want Santiago or Jones in the bullpen . So you must expect the starters to go 9 innings every game or don''t care if the Sox lose games after the starters go 7 or 8 quality innings. Or you expect their miracle replacements to magically appear and make the pen better.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) When the players are as bad as Flowers and Jones, the who replaces isn't the primary concern. It is if you are rebuilding. There is no position in a baseball front office called 1/2 GM. If you want to play GM and rebuild finish the job.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 09:00 AM) ROFL, believe what you want to believe Dick Allen. My position on this team's players has been made very clear whether I post every day or not. It's so easy to say this guy sucks ,trade this guy, send this guy down but unless you're willing to say who to replace them with you have no argument at all .When the replacements don't work out the cycle starts all over again. Trade him send him down they suck. Generic answers like get position player prospects doesn't help. What kind of team are you building ? Speed , OBP, Power ? What positions player prospects are you looking for ? SS? Corner infielders ? Catchers ? Outfielders ? Current Major leaguers ? ML ready ? AA ? AAA? If you can specify you can narrow the list and come up with a few suggestions.

It's not really but Gimenez deserves a shot too and that shot would take us to Phegley's service time.

I'm all for Flowers hitting the pine. The offense can't afford his on the job training since we are in win now mode. Gimenez should get a shot 1st. Another LH bat can't hurt. I was pretty disappointed to see Flowers in there tonight against the right handed Smardzija and he's a switch-hitter. Gimenez can get a month until Phegley hit's the point of his service time being OK .

3rd perod has been Detroit's Achilles heel all playoffs. Hawks tried to give it right back .After getting a power play ,Sharp gets a penalty to cancel it out . Then Hossa does the same thing.

1-0 Hawks on the PP.

Sloppy Sox so far. Neither Konerko nor Kepp could get to a ball that landed in the 1st row on foul popup by Rizzo ( Beckham probably would have) and no one covered 2nd base till too late on Castro steal.