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No one is saying he's not responsible for his own actions.He's made bad decisions. He's learning on the job.The whole situation stinks. But along with the bad there is good happening and we act like minor, on the fringes trades are like signing Benintendi to his contract level of bad and some people never let us forget that. When you trade a nobody for a nobody if it doesn't work out how long am I supposed to cry about it ? I care more about new Traject machines and the new coaches and manager than I do the failure of Deloach or Fletcher .I care more about how some of the organization top arms will progress and ultimately impact the rise of the team. I care about the Sox being bad enough to get the best odds to acquire the1-1 pick in the draft, something the last rebuild never got because they failed to be really bad like Houston in their rebuild. The last rebuild never modernized. They were an insular group with the GM and the exGM operating independently as we saw when KW traded Buger for Eder and Ng bypassed Hahn and went straight to Williams. Who holds more responsibility for Edgar Quero ,Rick Hahn who traded for him or the people who have helped him develop once he came here ? Getz has been far from perfect.I think his 1st full year as GM was a huge learning process but he's got a firmer grip on the direction he's going now and managed to find good hires along the way. If you're impressed by the hires of McKinvin ,Fuller, Venable at least on the surface the rest of baseball seems to think those are good moves. Also recently there's been hope for a new owner. Chris Getz didn't prevent a multi billionaire to cancel his plans to buy the Twins and continue to buy more shares of the White Sox did he ? Every year that goes by brings us closer to new ownership and a possible ascension into being a real big league team again. It would be nice to think that Getz is putting in enough ground floor work to modernize the team and rebuild the infrastructure to get a new regime off to a good start. It'll take a few years to see if the restructuring of the International Department and building a new DR Academy and hiring David Keller will produce better results bringing in better talent from the Dominican Republic. That was a huge failure in every single year of JRs tenure as owner while Domincans have been flourishing in baseball for over 50 years. If you can name a single Dominican the Sox signed and became an All Star with the Sox you'd be the first because I'm pretty sure that player doesn't exist. So let's not pretend that how this franchise has been run into the ground has nothing to do with mismanagement and policies that have been in place for many many many years by the only guy who has been in charge the whole time.

He doesn't know. It just sounds good to speak in generalizations about planting landmines and forgetting where he put them. He doesn't know any decisions Getz made. He just knows the Sox became very bad very quickly and Getz came out the other side unscathed . However we are starting to learn things he's been doing, the people he fired, the people he hired, rebuilding infrastructure with all that it entails. These things are conveniently forgotten because many were just made and we have no idea how it'll turn out. I'd like to think hiring Bannister led to the ultimate rise of Crochet as a starting pitcher which led to a strong trade eventually. I've seen enough evidence that this is true. Good things are happening even with incompetent Chris Getz in charge. But I suppose 6 TJ surgeries will end up his fault too sooner or later .

The Peter Principle.

Well I'm glad that you're making an attempt at this but I think me and West Eddy just piss people off because no matter how sound your arguments are people don't buy the bad luck stuff mainly because having best players who are expected to produce who are almost always injured is not just bad luck it's expected bad luck so somehow you have to magically find their projected WAR out of thin air .Doesn't matter to all the fans that Getz inherited these players. While he was Director of Player Personell and Asst.GM he should have waved his magic wand and made them less susceptible to injury even though he likely had nothing to do with trading for them or extending them. All these arguments are nothing new to the ones you're discussing this with. They just refuse to look at it that way.You're not allowed to say hey yea Getz shouldn't have been hired but he was and at least he's made some moves that an outside hire may have made. But the Sox were a dumpster fire way before Getz became GM and his other jobs too. The previous rebuild just never had much of a chance to succeed without players who developed into strong consistent professionals. All the fans here were constantly projecting Eloy to start having 40 HR seasons or were fooled by 2019 bouncy ball stats (Moncada) or sticky tack stats (Giolito) a cool SS (Anderson) or Vaughn's "generational talent" are embarrassed for having put their faith in these players and the FO and owner. The terrible record so soon after the collapse coincided with the collapse of Intl scouting, drafting and development, injuries , labor issues and a worldwide pandemic all on top of an organizational house of cards is now thrust at the feet of Getz and in a years time he hasn't managed to make the Sox win like at all. Good hires, rebuilding things in intl scouting or R &D , getting new toys for development , improving the farm system, all these things pale in comparison to letting Jesse Chavez walk or trading Mena or God knows what else everyone seems to focus on. No one wants to hear it. They just want one neat little package of blame to belong to Getz and JR. Optimism and hope and searching for silver linings is for children.You must raise your spears against the evil that has transpired and led to this abomination . You're either with us or you're against us. 😡 🔪🐖🐗

He already has a lot of pitches he can throw.They have to find the best mix of pitches he can throw most effectively for strikes. I think I saw his last outing was 3 scoreless innings but he walked 3 so that's flirting with disaster. They'll probably try to improve command with different grips or different pitches like that kick changeup Davis Martin learned. On the job training and see if he can adapt quickly. More on the kick change if you haven't seen it before https://blogs.fangraphs.com/davis-martin-and-matt-bowman-break-down-the-kick-change/

Apparently a lot of fans were embarrassed to near death by that record . So don't ask me ask them. There was no way 2024 was going to be anything but bad once we knew there wasn't going to be any spending and I said as much either in Dec of 2023 or January of 2024. Apparently a lot of fans believed Jerry's forked tongue about a quick turnaround even when he knew he wasn't going to spend anything or when Getz was trying to figure out how to sell something to the fans so basically said we'll bring in nice guys change the culture and play defense. You seem to be one of the most bitter and I get it. I never did expect much from Reinsdorf so I don't feel like I was fooled or betrayed. Most of my adult life the Sox have had terrible teams. 2005 was the one exception in 100 years . I'm not really expecting another World Series win in my lifetime. I've enjoyed my Chicago sports experience. I got to see the Bears win the Superbowl, the Sox win a World Series, the Bulls win 6 championships and the Blackhawks win 3 Stanley Cups. I got to see a lot of good players from my earliest sports memories of listening to Bulls and Blackhawks games on the radio hearing about Bobby Hull and Chet Walker and Bob Love , Sayers and Butkus, even the brutal collapse of the '69 Cubs. All the Championships were won after I left Chicago in 1980 so I never experienced them as a Chicagoan except in my heart and going to an ALCS game against the Angels in Anaheim in 2005. As a fan I just don't get too wrapped up in winning or losing. Of course I like winning teams a lot more but I know Reinsdorf is the the latest in a long line of Sox owners who always claimed to not have enough money to compete so it is what it is. Now I just look at the players and look for some successes and nice guys. I enjoy it more that way.Nothing to get truly upset about.

Sox are better at identifying pitching talent because it's more readily available and it's talent from a system that's known for identifying talent but it has nothing to do with the OF so why ask ? Look I'm not trusting you to keep quiet if the Sox break that record again.Your pitchfork will be sharper than ever so stop acting like it would be no big deal to you. I don't think a day goes by without sounding like the Sox killed your puppy .

Baldwin playing RF.

Why should it ? Who earned it ? Apparently you want them to set another loss record.

Clain 😁

6 in a 2 or 3 month period will do that.

So you think one of Wolkow, Braden Montgomery, McLain and Zavala will be a starting OF on Opening Day next year ? I'd make a bet on that. I'm always game for taking opposing view points on what seems to be an a longshot.

I'm wondering if he didn't punch something or someone. They scratched him before the game a couple days ago and gave that reason. But I was thinking how many pregame drills use runners that can result in a collision at 1st. Probably just letting my imagination run wild. Lineup was probably made a couple hours before the game started .Still seems odd though that he'd be released. They need hitters.

I wonder who you're talking about.😋 I wouldn't call myself a massive fan , just thought he deserved more consideration than he got . I just like to try to identify guys who don't get much recognition. The stats speak for themselves and I think it was their AA pitching coach John Ely who was on the McGuffey podcast raving about those guys.But apparently even at 26 yrs old they'd rather save the younger guys for the 2nd half after trading as many of the veteran relievers with decent 1st half stats.

It might be . There aren't many double headers during the regular season and walking 23 in 18 innings not likely to happen with the pitchers on the 26.

Did you drop your homemade bobblehead ? Maybe it was a VooDoo doll instead and you caused the broken thumb !

Apparently the Sox weren't going to spend over $5M on any one player unless incentives warranted it.

Damn when the hell did that happen ?

As a GM I think winning has to have place among your top priorities so you pick up vets who have proven track records with recent hiccups that made them affordable rather than just hand jobs to kids who struggle at AAA. Apparently wins do matter to fans too because I haven't stopped hearing about last seasons disaster. 110 losses would have been considered a disaster too but once you set modern day records for losses it drives the point home that there's no reason for that to happen if you can help it even if it was a Murphy's Law situation you should still have enough talent to avoid that kind of situation. Plenty of fans are thinking they will be worse than last year . That shouldn't be allowed to happen under any circumstances so if you think it'll be a 110 loss season things could go horribly wrong once again you're right back there. You don't want to give the impression that improving or not setting more futility records isn't important just because it's a rebuild. If you can't force the issue facing AAA pitching there's no reason to play in the big leagues. It's just odd to me when the fans past war crys were the Sox ruined Vaughn and Crochet and called up prospects before they were ready that now the script is flipped and it's "let the kids" play even though they've done nothing to warrant it except get older .

I think he has to show he can hit AAA pitching and stay healthy otherwise what does he have to offer?

Not sure why you bolded what you did. Iglesias didn't play much SS last year and the Sox would've likely had to paid more for him than they did for Rojas if they had signed him at the same time. Pretty sure the whole reason Iglesias lasted as long as he did was because no one wanted to meet his price at his age despite hitting well last year playing mostly 2nd and 3rd. Sox probably checked on him before Rojas. I actually advocated for Iglesias early in the off season because he probably still could play SS better than most still here vying for the position and because being a Cuban vet who learned to become a better hitter later in his career he might've been a good influence to help Robert who has run out of Cuban teammates.

He better start off hot then because there's a good chance it'll take longer.

Drury was pulled from yesterday's game because of a hand bruise.

Next round of cuts thread inexplicably closed .So maybe put it here when the remaining guys get cut ? Wasn't Colas sent down ?

You never know what you get but you have to try. I'm not sure you differentiated between who was a shitty vet and who wasn't. All I heard this off season was fans crying about how Getz didn't improve the pen. I guess that remains to be seen and all the injuries to a lot of our youthful depth is hurting the cause but pitching does have a market more than bats. It seems fairly useful that he picked so many veteran arms on the cheap. Some young arms he gave up for veteran arms might turn into useful position players. It's always hit and miss working in the fringes. Either you end up giving up someone you regret or you make the other team regret it. So far there's not much to regret on either side of these minor trades that everyone makes a big deal about because of the process. It's all just howling into the wind. The sound gets lost most of the time. I'll admit a lot of what Getz is doing is on the job training. He's made mistakes but some things are working and he's hired outside the organization and Crochet was a major win. I don't think he's had a bad 1st full year. Maybe a solid C grade considering JR isn't giving him much to spend unless infrastrure rebuilding is a lot more expensive than I think it is. I think the initial costs are higher than the maintenance costs so we'll have to wait and see what bears fruit if he's around long enough to see the fruits of his labors. I like the initial returns on the Bannister hiring. The efforts of the FO seems a lot more collaborative. I'm looking forward to seeing how Braden Montgomery and some of our draft picks like Bonemer,Antonacci, McLain,Saucke and Hagen Smith do. Bergolla will be a good follow too as well as Zavala,Meidroth,Wikel-man Gonzalez , Jacob Gonzalez and Colson Montgomery.