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Hahn spent too much to make the Sox too good when they were supposed to be tanking so they never got the ultra high draft choices Houston did while they were tanking. Getz might be doing a better job at securing more losses when you can't even get rewarded for being good at losing any more. This is tragically hilarious. Only the White Sox could be preaching culture and have people actually falling for that new age , Disney line of BS. Are they trying to win baseball games or build future leaders of the free world ? They created that losing culture. It's the new regime throwing the old regime under the bus without somehow indicting the ring leader of that culture.

Apparently you should be asking yourself in regards to future acquisitions "What is his Culture Index Quotient" ? This is the ability to inspire your team mates by your work ethic, leadership , TWTW and buying drinks for your teammates at the hotel bar and telling them how you all pulled together to cheat your way to more wins.

If by contend you mean rising to the top of the miserable Central I suppose anything is possible.

The best way to change the culture is by winning. Nothing brings players closer than celebrating a hard fought victory . Culture does not exist for a bunch of stiffs battling for roster spots who barely spend any time together battling on the same battlefield. The Sox roster is chum and the walking dead.

That was shut long ago by all but the most paranoid of Sox fans. He was always too expensive.

I had forgot they also signed Chuckie Robinson. Maybe some of these guys are being hired to mentor the young catchers in the finer points of singing kumbaya.

I like Beavers myself. Primed for a big year .

There it is. Thank you. It's all just turning over the roster, roster churning, call it whatever you will. It's a Hail Mary , a wing and a prayer, a wish upon a star. How do you do ? Out with the old in with the new in another JR stew. Right before your eyes. We'll pull laughter from the skies Then he laughs until he cries. Then he dies, then he dies.

Lol what other choice do they have. Please enlighten me with a better plan that makes sense with our current 40 man roster and owner. Lay it out for me. Show me your baseball IQ.

They might as well hire a priest to pray for the prospects to all show remarkable health and huge statistic leaps. Either that or a crossroads deal with a demon.

I don't think they could win the AZL title.

I think the only reason they may have $130M payroll is because JR says that's what you are getting so spend it on what you think we need to... (Fill in the blank). The whole starting pitcher staff could be traded at the deadline or whichever ones out perform expectations. If they got another $10M to spend try getting another guy who has a decent shot to be flipped. They're going to flipping as many short term contracts as they can. The 2024 trade deadline will be just like the 2023 deadline without the veteran pitchers to bring in a few prospects. It's all about what you can get for Fedde, Soroka Kopech , Toussaint and Scholtens, basically whoever can stick in the rotation long enough and manages to have decent stats. That can be none of them or if we get lucky 2 of them.

If they signed Kiermaier I might believe that but I think you have to be on your last legs dumpster dive or a AAAA type to play for the sox in 2024. Keirmaier has yet to regress to the putrid stage.

You gotta be bleeping me ! This year isn't going to be about trying for wins. I'd be 100% floored if the Sox spent money on 6 more guy you mentioned. 2024 is about getting anyone in the Starting rotation and Moncada and Eloy traded and clearing as much payroll as possible off the books and gathering as many prospects as they can with a year or 2 of playing for the Sox. If Maldonado is a done deal already even that shocks me unless after a year off Stassi can't cut it. I see zero reason for him otherwise when you have Lee, Perez and Hackeburg for peanuts .

I'm talking about putting up some numbers that look good enough to trade for. I'm surely not talking about win loss records. There are are plenty of ways for the pitchers to show they are good without the FO thinking they are tricking someone.They need tradable assets and they need some short term pieces to step up. Good coaching ,good defense and a catcher who calls a good game are all keys to helping a pitching staff . He's just doing what's necessary to get out of a hole not thinking it's some master plan. Just hoping all that stuff turns some question marks into prospects. Everybody needs pitching at the deadline. It's not just the short term SP that needs to step up it's short term guys like Moncada, Eloy and even a guy under contract for longer like Benintendi to show that they they have value so they can be traded. There's zero reasons to keep any of those guys.

I suppose as usual you misunderstood. Sox have either cheap dumpster dives pitchers or guys that are short term contracts in the Starting rotation Getz's plan for now is focused on the short term. Cease Fedde ,Kopech, Soroka, Toussaint, Scholtens are all short term guys. Getz is stressing defense from guys with no bats because he needs those pitchers numbers to look as good as possible at the trade deadline. The focus is not winning, it's praying and hoping that better defense can make some of those guys worth a prospect or 2. They have no one but Cease and Robert, Jr. left to trade to get the bats you want. But they will also get pitching. There's no doubt about that. You better hope and pray ,along with Getz ,that Bannister and Katz can pull a rabbit out of their ass and make 1 or 2 of that mess of a starting staff worth getting a couple of prospects. Getz needs a HR on the Cease trade.

Wish you luck. Our experience with young pitchers is injuries and inconsistency. You're in your windows right now. Your record from last year indicates you had just as good of a chance of winning the World Series as anyone. The O's have an abundance of depth. You also have 3 OF you know u have to trade. One very soon with Santander. You can see what you get for your OFs+ a prospect. It gets real hard to trade guy mid season especially in a tight pennant race if he's having a good year. But a team like the Os cannot afford losing quality players for nothing. You got a nice bunch of good OF prospects but one of them needs to take Santander's place ASAP. I hope you don't have to go through the struggles with the injuries and inconsistencies that makes winning so hard without establish veteran pitchers. That's why you see Verlander and Scherzer going to contenders year after year. If you see your GM stocking up on expensive relief pitching , like,let's say Craig Kimble good luck with that. Been there done that. We know what it's like to not have an owner try to finish off the rebuild. In your division you need to capitalize on your chances to win a Championship. A little bad luck and before you know it you're back to 4th place. Maybe the guys in charge of your franchise aren't as stupid and care so little about winning as ours do. ?

Getz is undergoing a trial by fire now by his peers. They are testing his resolve. I think it was very important to make the Bummer trade to establish some kind of barometer with the other GMs how to value pitching even if the return for Bummer didn't impress you. It should impress you . One wild relief pitcher on a losing team netting 4 assets likely to be on the Opening Day roster should tell you a lot of things. 1.This team is going to be terrible. 2. They are seriously about defense to make all the short term tradable starting pitching assets look as good as possible. Getz knows that could include Cease. This is a game of chicken pure and simple. The whining about the asking price is part of the squeeze and I wouldn't expect a Cease trade soon unless Getz finds his Neo.

Teams know the Sox suck and are running out of assets to trade to try to claw their way back to respectability. They also know Reinsdorf won't extend him . They also know holding him is risky for the Sox if his ERA is once again 4.5 before the deadline. A 4.5 ERA is not what you want to be starting in the 2nd game in a 3 or 5 game series. Getz getting good defensive players is likely prep for making his pitchers tradable at the deadline. They probably don't care much about winning right now as much as they do trying to bring in more legitimate talent. Anyone thinking the Sox can actually compete by keeping him is sadly mistaken. Their best plan is to keep Cease, Fedde,Kopech and Soroka numbers as good as possible and hope to trade them all. Cease preferably before the season starts. This is why they want more pitching prospects . You need to remove those 4 guys from any equation moving forward very shortly. You can probably say the same thing about Scholtens and Toussaint. That's why Getz will not have any rookie in the starting rotationuntil it can't be helped. Anyone trying to split hairs thinking less than 100 losses again should readjust their thinking if you think a 5 or 10 game improvement is any sign of progress. That's not a goal right now which is also why Grifol wasn't fired. He's got a contract. No good reason to pay anyone else. That's a JR move if I ever saw one.

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That's what's always in the back of my mind. Huge risk when he's so important to jump starting a way back to respectability. LOL. I can't believe I just wrote that while JR is still the owner.

I'm not focused on anything except not giving Reinsdorf more reasons to think he's a baseball genious and see things happen that do not align with his philosophies.

We are very well aligned in this stream of consciousness.