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Give us your most recent info on Haber and why you're glad he's gone. Obviously Harold is glad he's gone but doesn't usually share his Intel but you do. I seem to recall your experiences with him or your sources experiences with him weren't good. Being Hahn's right hand man seems like it was only a matter of time before he'd be replaced by the new regime. I don't particular care that a paper pusher with a 24 year career with the Royals who Getz may admire for his hard work, dedication and skills was hired to continue doing that for the Sox. Some types you don't need an extensive search.

I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking What the or who the f*** is the SD ? Scouting Director ? If so who would that be ?

If he pitches closer to his 2022 numbers it will substanially increase. Better than 2023 nice increase. Similar to 2023 or worse hurts quite a bit. Usually a lot of teams need help at the trade deadline, some team doing better than expected, some doing worse needing a boost, injuries once ST starts , contenders looking for just that one piece to give them the upper hand. The whole RSN situation is giving teams excuses not to spend. How that's looking by the trade deadline ,IDK. Best case scenario he's closer to his '22 numbers and you get him for 2 more playoffs and still get your comp pick when he becomes a FA and you get peace of mind that he's wasn't trending down. You also now have to pay the piper because of he's a hotter property than ever. Worst case I don't even want to think about it.

Don't forget pitchers get hit by line drives all the time . They also have to field their position. Plenty of ways for misfortune to strike without an arm injury.

I think you make an important point here regarding Boras, Snell and Montgomery. If Getz is indeed waiting for Snell and Montgomery to come off the board before he thinks he'll get serious offers he has no reason to come off any perceived high asking price until then. If Boras drags this out I'm think Sox fans should be prepared for this to go beyond January . James Fox recently stated he expected Cease to be traded before the end of January. So I'm going to go on record just to say I disagree with James without benefits of insider knowledge. I really hope that James knows more than he's letting on and it does get done in January but there are still 2 Boras clients to be moved .

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Might not be so surprising. Had a nice season in limited AB bWar 2.5 ,29 year old ,big guy may not have much time left in the OF as big as he is combined with his age. I haven't looked at his sprint speed but just guessing he's going to slow down pretty soon and be primarily a 1st basement . TB just doing what TB does . Made sure they had Palacios and DeLuca 1st. Trading Raley probably was well thought out in advance. Sold high before he hit 30 and starts to slow down and losses his OF versatility.

DeLuca from the Dodgers.

Unfortunately this was just what I was afraid would happen when I posted 2 months ago about it.

Says at the end of the article of the link you posted Elijah Evans is a Chicago native.

Nice review. He had 4 White Sox players in his top 100, Montgomery, Schultz, Quero and Ramos. Says he a Chicago native. Maybe your Just Baseball guy is Sox fan.

He's 43 but looks younger. Jet black hair younger face. You didn't watch it ? I was wondering why you said you couldn't watch.

And just to make it clear it's not Elias's pre-market evaluation of Cease. It's his perceived pre-market evaluation of Cease seen through the eyes of the vocal fans choosing to post here. I think it's safe to say Elias is not on film anywhere since the World Series ended talking about how he anticipates Dylan Cease's market to go or how he'll get the pitching most assume he should get. Like any good poker player his cards are still guarded closely and he's still in the game. If it gets too rich for him he can fold .

I think he's just having a little fun poking the bear.

I didn't realize how young Passan actually is until I saw him on the podcast. I'll give him a lot of credit for understanding our pain from the failed rebuild but he also mentioned that there were good times too regarding how promising it looked at some points until JR, Covid, the strike, injuries ,the talent pool drying up and players inconsistent performances took it all away. But again like I always said and Passan echoed it. It starts at the top and works it's way down. JR has always been my No. 1 with a bullet . The rest of the culprits were just branches of the diseased tree.

Yea they have fun, they drink and curse and do the whole make fun of each other and themselves that guys do when you're not too worried about hurting anyone's feelings that only works in a true friendship setting. More sensitive types may find it distasteful but if you wanna feel like your partying away amongst like minded individuals you'll enjoy it. I know My Sox Summer has posted here in the past. Not sure if Beefloaf or Chorizy has.

A veritable cornucopia of reasons for skepticism. After all JR is still the Big Bad Wolf and Getz is Red Riding Hood. JR has always been the wolf in sheep's clothing. It's actually refreshing when so many talking heads refuse to put the blame where it truly belongs that Passan does. As far as giving Getz time that just makes sense but we all know true change won't happen until JR isn't the owner. Notice I said "change" but didn't say things will get better. Can't ever be sure things will get better but we are hoping it's hard to get much worse than it's been.

Unfortunately " whatever this is" is exactly the outcome the conman strives for. The mark feels cheated, the conman makes his money and walks away unscathed and doesn't give a s%*# about what's left in his wake.

I understand but I guess it's easier on me than on others. I know my voice as a fan means nothing and it's actually better for everything else in your life if you are not a die hard even though I still am The fact is you care too much and you feel neglected, used,overlooked , ignored and despised. I can still hate JRs methods but not hate JR . He'll pass away eventually and the circle of life will start all over among fans. You just have to hope that JR hasn't dwindled the number of Sox fans to so few that the franchise can recover eventually. It's always been tough to be a Sox fan. Just look at how bad they are at sustaining any kind of postseason success in their entire history and moreso in a time when it's much easier to make the post season than ever. JR could've owned Chicago, instead he'll go down as a mixed bag. He won some championships , may have even saved the Sox from moving elsewhere after it seemed Veeck ownership might have been the franchises' last gasp. Not that Veeck was a bad owner he just didn't have any money but he did love the fans. Reinsdorf's reign is just almost that of a con man , smart, shrewd never knowing his true nature because he balances out his public personna by showing loyalty to employees and being generous with charities. Of course that good side of him may be highly cultivated like the way a con man fools the mark into thinking he's something he's not. After all the best conman's goal is for the mark to never realize they were conned.

The last part is exactly what I've been telling those who like or dislike the moves so far. Just because he hasn't done anything stupid yet or hasn't fired Grifol or didn't build up a great or even good record of success in his previous job or is filling the 40 with all field no hit MLB rejects we can at least see the beginning stages of what he's doing. Surround yourself with people you think can identity talent that perhaps can be fixed turn those who you fix into prospects. It's a very tough road to hoe .But if one prospect received from a reject turns into 6 years of a good MLB player it's worth it. Of course it's very hard with the position players he's been getting but the pitching rejects at least have some track record of success and aren't as old. My only gripe is Getz so far in his all field no hit culture guys moves is that he reminds me of Guillen who overvalued guys who played exactly like himself and early returns have people nervous about prioritizing pitching instead of best talent and near ready talent over talent still developing. Of course this can be because the boss says compete as soon as possible or he doesn't yet trust his own development processes because he hasn't been on the job long enough yet to hire more people than JR is comfortable with in order to really make an effort to change the lazy, unmotivated player culture but to identify and develop talent to change the real problem which is the losing culture that JR creates with his outdated and cheap infrastructure methods. We'll start to get a clearer picture when we see how the results of the Cease trade turn out. Then it's onto giving Getz some time to work on the infracture and development until it's time to trade Robert .

If you're going to give credit for when Rosenthal and Harold both say the same thing , does Harold mentioning the Mets and Rosenthal saying the full list of suitors is unknown while not mentioning the Mets mean Harold knows more than Rosenthal about it ?

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As far as JR needing advertising revenue goes there's almost nothing he can do to dig the Sox out of the hole they are in right now except hit on trades of Cease and Robert and have some of the short term starting pitchers also pitch well enough to add a couple more prospects. That's precisely why Bannister is here. That's why Kopech won't be in the bullpen, why we got Fedde for 2 years and why we got Soroka and hung onto Toussaint. All are long shots for sure to do anything that results in a net positive. Eloy and Moncada will also be moved if they can be. Why keep them beyond the trade deadline ? They are dead men walking. As far as JR throwing more money at the team goes I guess we'll find out soon enough if he's willing to take that risk by holding onto Cease and filling a few more holes before the season starts. I have no idea what that will accomplish throwing good money after bad and putting lipstick on a pig when you 100% HAVE TO trade anyone with an expiring contract who you can get anything for . I also don't understand what makes you think Getz is any better than Hahn while he'll be working under the same constraints. He has yet to prove anything except he likes players that were more like him and pitcher reclamation projects. I don't currently see anything that tells me this team will avoid 100 losses .

I'd go even sooner on Robert . 3 years left if he has another 5+ WAR healthy season. You can't push your luck on his health. That would be the perfect storm. Anything more than that you're looking at 2.5 to 3 years expecting him to be a great hitter and have great health. It would be nail biting time just hoping he can either equal, improve upon and play equal or more games in 2024. If he's great up until the trade deadline in 2024. I'd certainly explore a trade then if market conditions are hot. I'm not advocating much else except making sure you hit on Cease and Robert . We can then revisit what else is going on as far as how the rest of the prospects are developing in the system or other internal changes.

Luckily we're not going to have to worry about looking competent. Cease should be gone before the season starts. Luckily the fans aren't as dumb as JR. They aren't coming back to a degree that will make any difference monetarily by the trade deadline to think JR would add anything of significance even if he was stupid enough to do that with a . 500 team that desperately needs some of the cheap acquisitions to be tradable.The bottom line means more to him. He'd be more than thrilled with the salaries of Cease, Moncada, Eloy,Robert salaries off the books. I think we're stuck with Benintendi .