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Is having a dream about Lance Lynn really a win for you ? ?

Silly question. We gave our opinion of how we feel about the trades in the threads for them. No one wins or loses a trade until you see how they play throughout their careers . And even then how do you measure a win or loss in a trade ? There's no scoreboard or standings with trades. All we're doing here is rehashing the same things we said in the trade threads. Who ended up winning the Sale trade ? Immediately following the trade most of us were thrilled . Years later not so much. Most us would say Boston although final results are still not in. Trades end up having extensions to them Boston trades Sale years later. Moncada and Kopech could still be traded.

Altuve ,since the beginning when Houston signed him for 10K , has always been appreciative of the opportunity they gave him when no one else would because of his size. He hasn't forgotten his roots.

I'd be surprised. They've moved on from Toxic personalities if you hadn't noticed.

I haven't been to a lot concerts but always glad I was in the right place at the right time to see the Ramones with the Runaways opening for them at UICC back in '78. Now it's called UIC. Ptatc is a punk rocker ?

Conquistador Procol Harum live is one of my all time favorites. It's epic.

Burnin' Down the House live on the Stop Making Sense album. The Talking Heads.

For Crochet to suddenly become a closer doesn't appear to be in the cards. Crochet might abandone his desire to be a MLB start when he learns that the big money of being an effective starter is out of his reach. He'd still need better command. When you're a pitchet who can't field you're going to blow your fair share of save opportunities. He's the type of fielder who teams feel very comfortable bunting on once he walks a guy. He's never looked very graceful trying to pick up a bunted ball or dribbler and gunning it to 1st base.

And with the removal of shifts, which everyone seems to have forgotten about, good LH handed hitters should be priorities. Fletcher does seem to have a good BAA RHP. Can't hit LHP and K's a lot but OK walk rate. He isn't even close to being fast but we've heard he has great jumps, reads, routes.Maybe his strengths are good enough to be a solid strong side of a platoon guy. Remember the Sox franchise has the worst or least productive LH hitters in the history of baseball. Left handed savages are still needed but hopefully both teams benefit from this trade .

That would suck. Sox just got a comp pick and 2 players for Santos.

Future Sox podcast live now talking about the recent trades with James Fox and Ian Eskridge on YouTube.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't a good look for a GM. You have to be dispassionate and practical.

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2024/2/1/24055811/2024-seattle-mariners-farm-system-overview-tier-4-emerson-hancock-ryan-bliss-samad-taylor DeLoach is 17 and Berroa 15 in Mariners farm rankings by Lookout Landing. Article written Feb 1,2024 with decent writeups on both.

Yes the Sox definitely need more pitching but I also think you will see that addressed more too. A lot more . The Cease trade probably will prove it.

Does bag of balls ring a bell ?

I haven't seen anything in either trade thread about it but it's looking less and less likely with every trade that Whit Merrifield will be coming to the Sox.

Not quite that simple. This trade could work out well for both teams, either team or neither team. All we have right now are some good discussions from those who see it different ways.

It doesn't necessarily contradict JR when JR is full s%*# or perhaps by quickly he meant show a decent amount of progress in 2-3 years. Jerry's budget for this year is obviously low. Maybe next year without the Moncada , Cease and Eloy contracts we see a little more money and mid level deals. We won't get a read on Getz until then . But he's always going to be restricted by JR.

It's a trade to solve RF now and OF depth , future 4th OF, backup CF and another LH bat with enough hitting, pop, defense and OBP potential because the Sox were woefully short on all those things. That's a lot of things the Sox needed immediately and for the next 6 years. I don't know if you are overestimating Mena or underestimating just how little talent and money Getz has to work with now.

So what . The Sox are going to suck anyway. Do you expect Getz to be able to find power hitting prospects who are generally the highest ranked prospects in baseball for the crap thats on his 40 right now ? At the stage the Sox and the farm system are at right now you're incrementally building . Cease and Robert are the only 2 guys who can give you the high upside prospects. Apparently teams are hugging those guys for some odd reason . Oh yeah I forgot, those guys are prize possessions. You need to be a lot more patient. Rome was not built in a day. There's not a whole lot we can glean from these early deals that points to a longer term strategy except for wanting better defense. Right now he's doing what he thinks is best to make his pitching staff more valuable and tradable while giving prospects more minor league development time. He's also working under some strict financially constraints which severely limits his moves. Cheap gloves who can't hit and Bannister magic to fix short term pitching assets and trade them is pretty much the only short term plan they could come up with given financial constraints. You'll get a power hitting prospect when Cease is traded unless he gets hurt or can't at least find a strong middle ground between his 2022 and 2023 seasons.

Terrifies you ? A bit of hyperbole , yes? Doesn't seem as complicated or mystifying as you're making it out to be. You traded a young fast rising pitching prospect who rose fast because he can pitch beyond his years in a bad farm system so pretty easy to advance. Is he talented ? Sure young enough to gain more command, maybe throw a little harder but hardly a surefire MLB SP. It is the 135 innings he's already pitching at his age that's most impressive. But this is a slow process of trying to build the MLB team and farm system at the same time. Your perception of Mena makes you strongly dislike the trade but he could end up a nothing. A lot of people didn't like trading that kid for Mazara either. Much ado about nothing as it turned out. Dominic Fletcher appears to be an MLB hitter. Sox don't have many of those in the OF who can also field. He's likely a minimum 2 War guy with 500 ABs . He has 6 years of control so that's pretty valuable. Getz had to get an OFer that fit his mold of defense. If you wanted a power hitting LH OF who plays good defense you weren't going to find one for Mena. That was supposed to come in a Cease trade. Maybe it still will along with a pitcher to replace Mena. But in the meantime you got the most talented hitter plus defense 4th OF guy for 6 more yrs. But right now he will be the starter. I'll guess if he gets 500 ABs and he's 2nd or 3rd among Sox position players with around 2.5 War. Getz likes doing multiplier trades. Bummer, Mena, Santos got back how many guys ? 9 and a draft pick right ? The 2024 and beyond Sox did get better with this trade and the coming Cease trade will perhaps fill the need for higher upside guys and a pitcher to replace Mena.

Sound guess . That's about on the high of what to expect. I'm thinking lucky to reach a combined 2 fWar. We talking bWar or fWar here ? Which one seems to give players more WAR for defense b or f ?

I think pitchers on the Sox are all glad to see some decent gloves out there and veteran catchers. Your most likely tradable assets will come from the pitching staff since pitching is always more tradable at the deadline. So you try to keep the pitchers happy, create a good environment around them and with Bannister's magic pixie it will pay off (that's sarcasm). Not much of a plan but it is a plan. No reason to play the young guys just to play them. They want them to earn it . No free passes. Be better and show me you want it. And do it in the minors. No sense wasting valuable service time. ANd that service time is sadly more precious than anything to the farm system and their worth as prospects. Maybe others like Montgomery, Ramos Colas Sosa Quero all crack the lineup in 2025. Buying time for all that , Moncada and Eloy salary gone. Spend a little more (wisely). A long and arduous path that will likely be some very bad baseball.

The strategy is the same as it was once they hired Bannister which I identified shortly thereafter. Getz knows that not being able to get a top 10 draft choice in consecutive years is now impossible thanks to that ridiculous anti-tanking rule.That strategy is to create tradable assets from thin air, rejects. That's why I knew Kopech would be put in the starting rotation and not the pen. Maldonado although apparently useless defensively and offensively still has a reputation for calling a good game. That's why they got defensive guys like DeJong and Lopez.It's highly unlikely to create more than a couple of guys who can be traded for anything useful in the future. Now you can question signing these guys and actually paying them millions of dollars all you want. It's ugly that's for sure. You can actually scout AAA for a lot of guys around 27 or 28 with good gloves and some decent hitting stats and offer teams cash considerations (let's say no more than $1M) for some of those guys. Some teams might actually bite on that. All this talk about once they knew about the anti-tanking draft rule that they should have committed to spending more is crazy talk (Cease thread). That was never going to happen, not this year anyway. The Sox idea of spending would be $5-10 million for 1 year for old washed up vets (Duvall, Michael A. Taylor, Kiermaier,Ryu Clevinger etc.) hoping to flip them like Hahn always did and getting nothing from it. That plan is far worse.

yikes not even worth looking him up.