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I don't know that . Has he hired an experienced GM in the last 25 years ? Has he ever ? I don't know if Roland Hemond or Larry Himes had previous GM experience when they were hired . Hawk didn't . Himes didnt last long because he got sick of JR sticking his nose in. If you want to believe Getz is killing the rebuild it's cool. The rebuild is a lie at this point of JRs life. JR killed the franchise. Keep hope alive hoping for a miracle if that comforts you. I know how condescending that sounds . Has there ever been a time in the history of Reinsdorfs ownership that scouting and development was a strength. He won't spent on it. Expecting an understaffed and inexperienced and unqualified Getz to get it right isn't likely. It's not necessarily true that no experienced GMs would work for JR. I'm sure there are ex GMs out there who were unsuccessful GMs because they worked for owners similar to JR who might take the job but are you really expecting JR at this point in his life to actually give a f*** about it. He hired who he wanted in charge. If he fires Getz it's only a scapegoat move to appease fans. I'm hoping it does happen so we can all see what great things happen after that. That was sarcasm.

Neither do I . But Jerry does and that's what any GM he hires is working with. You're all hoping for miracles to happen .Some GM to come in and make great moves in a system designed for on field failure but long term profitability. It's kind of amazing that the majority here cannot see the point of my posts. You're all fans of the wrong team like I am . The best you can hope for is JR dies soon and frankly it's not something I personally like rooting for. It'll happen eventually . If people want to think there's some miracle GM out there that can change JRs mind or make more impactful trades and get the Sox back to .500 in 4 years instead of 5 ,great, more power to your hopes and dreams of a couple of years of competitiveness. Maybe by then the Sox get sold to an owner who cares about winning .

I don't disagree with any of this . Signing Pham was because the Sox needed offense and to flip him .Obviously you have to make some token efforts to show you want to try to get better even though we all know signing a guy for $3M that no one else wanted was likely to fail. There really nothing to understand about my post except that JR is the main culprit. People can cry about Getz all they want but the next GM is working in the same system. The same system and way of running things that can't sustain success on any level except to bamboozle you into actually thinking a new GM could've gotten better results this year and next year and maybe the year after untill you're close to .500 and second or 3rd place again. Yay JR got the fans back in the ballpark with his Barnum and Bailey "there's a sucker born every minute" strategy. This isn't a sports franchise to be enjoyed by fans this is buying and selling real estate and empire building to pass onto your progeny. It's JRs Circus.

I never made any statement about the money helping the team improve. I'm just pointing out when you talk about how bad Getz is you need to understand things are are not as cut and dried as "he sucks so fire him". No experienced GM would work for JR. Hahn ,Williams and now Getz had never been GMs before. Each had areas that were strengths but they all just worked around JRs interference. We know Hahn sucked at signing the Free Agents who could just come in here and start producing right away especially hitters. He got to spend more money than Getz so far. But really it didn't make much of a difference. Whether you're spending in the dumpster dive range or the kiddie pool range the more you spend only slightly increases your chances of success .$1-$10M is nothing to spend and is where you will have mostly failures. But the successes you have that will have the most value, like Rodon , is in the under $5M range . They are usually short term. Trades and other ways to pick up low cost youth like the draft are the most likely ways to add long lasting impact talent. JR has never liked to spend on youth, scouting or it's development. But this is an area that he likes to stick his nose in the most be it the regular draft or international. He won't pay for the manpower , modern equipment and these decisions have the longest lasting major negative impact on player development. You start with worse players which makes developing them harder, while your coaches and staff and analytics are all inferior which makes development harder. While you might run into some good players and personell along the way they are fewer and farther between than teams who put resources into the vital areas needed to identify and develop youth that consistently works over a long period of time. JR hasn't done it in 40+ years and he isn't going to do it now . Any success any GM has with the Sox cannot be sustained. Hahn was blowing smoke up our asses always talking about sustained success. JR loves spending money in this area. He loves putting pie in the sky dreams out there hyping his inferior product to make it look better than it really is. Typical real estate fraud stuff. Put flowers and plants around and a new coat of paint while the foundation is crumbling or the roof is about to fall in.

Basically the Sox got Vargas and the 2 minor leaguers and the money they saved on Fedde's , Pham's and Kopech's contracts . They got rid of $10M from Fedde's $15M . Kopech's salary was $3M maybe they paid him a little more than $1M and saved $2M this year perhaps and what he might have got in 2025 He'll likely make more with the Dodgers than he would have with the Sox since he's been great with them. Sox signed Pham for $3M but his base salary was a litte less than $468K. Not sure how much Cards took on. We all know the trade sucked but with the Sox you have to consider what they invested in the players and how much they saved by trading them. With JR that's equally or more important than the players acquired. When you do the owner's bidding you do the best you can under the circumstances and keep your job. 3 players and somewhere around $15M saved.

I think there are varying levels of success someone with more experience could have had. But given the budget Getz was given ,apply that to anyone else ,add in the usual injuries / non performance of the usual suspects this team was still hurtling towards the all time bad record. It was apparent as early as December and January when I started making multiple posts on it. I think perhaps a more experienced GM makes a bigger difference in trades . However despite that I look at how all the teams followed Baltimore's lead and no one gave up top prospects. So it wasn't really a seller's market. Maybe it would have opened up if just one top prospect was traded to get a difference maker. It's a copycat group think when it came to trading top prospects but once one gets traded and other teams think you have the upper hand to a Championship the competitive juices of one-upmanship starts to flow among the GMs. Unfortunately that never happened. They were all content working on depth. No one got a difference maker high talented multiple years left on a contract type. I'm not even sure their were many traded who could make an impact in a long playoff run acquired. I also think other GMs treat the Sox differently partly because of Getz inexperience but mainly because it's painfully obvious JR needs capital for his other projects. The less he spends on the Sox the faster he'll get the whole area around the UC turned into the the Bulls /Blackhawks utopia him and The Wirtz's have teamed up on and get his new network going to showcase it all. Yes the Sox are a part of the new network too but they will be sold off ASAP after JR dies. The Sox aren't exactly his priority and everyone knows it . It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Benintendi's contract added to a Robert trade and BAM the Sox 2 biggest contracts now off the books. Maybe then you can offer Crochet an extension and really concentrate on pitching as the road back to respectability. Or you just trade him too. Since he's cheap I can actually see Getz going into next season with him still on the team . Getz will be low balled again and Crochet may have to prove it much like many wanted Cease to do. But Cease was coming off an unspectacular year and they couldn't take the chance he'd flop especially pitching for a miserable bunch of bums. Crochet has already shown he can pitch well surrounded by a terrible team. He may have to do it again next year at least up until they get a couple legitimate offers for him.

Great point ? The team was a cast of rejects. WTF did you expert Bannister to do ? I highly doubt his focus was on the 2024 team.He's mostly making sure the Minor League pitching is being taken care of. The not being able to see past the 2024 team is weird. Pitching is the only thing now that can get the Sox inching slowly back to .500 and beyond.Obviously there's a lot more work to be done.

What About Bob ?!

I know better than to continue this conversation but you do know he doesn't make decisions on his own. He takes info and makes a decision based on whose opinion he trusts the most. You're also not fully aware of every offer he's had. But telling the fan base they are ignorant and trying to rationalize what's going on means nothing and doesn't go over well. Ok so you know someone recommended Fletcher over Jake McCarthy. He listened allegedly to a guy he hired. Vargas 1.000 OPS guy in the minors you'd think he could get a .700 OPS automatically. It's not like pitchers don't make mistakes in the big leagues. So we've establshed he doesn't know talent, great! Now what ? What makes you think even if Reinsdorf fired him things would be any different with the next inexperienced guy he can control ? You do know Reinsdorf is trying to build a sports empire for his kids in Chicago and it may not include the White Sox. You can hire and fire GMs , managers , scouts , fire em all ,replace them all, but nothing changes until the Sox are sold.

I think when the 26 is so talentless and the ability to spend is so low this is kind of season il you get. Go ahead fire Getz the other GMs wont treat his successor any better in trades . They know JR only cares about the money. You're talking about firing him on principle because of a bad record and miniscule bad moves . When you're working with under $5M for anyone you sign you're not going to be making significant moves. The reality is it would be a cosmetic move designed to make you think someone more qualified might provide slightly more hope. At least you still think it might make a difference. I don't. One puppet replaced by another.

After the big 4 of Benintendi, Robert, Jimenez and Moncada the highest paid White Sox position players this year is Leury Garcia's $5.5M. After that it's whatever Maldonado and Lopez got paid. Maybe Vaughn and Pham after that. On the pitching side Fedde made around $5M of his $15M 2 year contract. If JR attaches Benitendi's contract to Roberts in a trade the payroll may be the lowest in baseball next year.

Jerry too busy with his new network and helping turn the United Center area into what he wants the 78 to be which is a sports complex with affordable (ha) housing and sports entertainment mega site. That's why he's been buying up all the parking lots around the UC and partnering with the Wirtz's.

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While I agree with most of this he's having success in his current role. Confidence means so much in any sport and he might want a quicker path to an MLB paycheck. He may have just found his niche.

That catch by Jankowski was absolutely bonkers.

You're an empath aren't you ?

Yeah sure teaching us to be responsible, having to do chores to help out with everything it takes to run a household and making sure our grades didn't suffer while paying Catholic school tuitions in grammar school and HS on a 1 income household is the epitomy of lazy and uninvolved .

You're probably misinterpreting the situation. A lot of boomers came from just the father working homes with big families ,one car, 3 or 4 brothers and sisters and that was middle or younger lower middle class in Chicago. While you play sports there are 3 or 4 more kids at home that need both parents attention. You want to play sports ,fine ,your grades better not suffer , you still have chores to do because with that many kids mom's exhausted. I know its not ideal but showing support is not easy with big families when the sibling are usually very close in age and you got a mortgage to pay ,backs to clothe, and got to put food on the table . Couldn't play favorites. Kids were mainly meant to be seen but not heard, old school discipline . Go to church every Sunday. Get out of the house and come back when the street lights go on. We aren't coddled in any way.If you want to do this ,fine,, it's on you to take the responsibility and know you wont won't get out of anything you are currently required to do to make this household run smoother. You will not be prioritized over your siblings. Maybe they didn't go to a lot of games but they developed your interest in sports to begin with by going to the park or out in the street and actually playing with you and your siblings whether it was playing catch with a football, baseball or a Clincher.

That's a long long stretch. Especially when you're not getting a good draft choice. Getz isn't changing JRs mind in anything nor will having the worst record in modern baseball history. JR has this whole thing planned out and it has nothing to do with winning baseball games.

At this point if JR fired Getz it would make me think Getz is actually trying to improve scouting and development and JR would consider that a breach of his trust. What are you doing Gez ? I told you to allocate most of the budget to player acquisitions. What do you mean by I can't get any good players with $50M ? You're fired ! I'm sure it's just me but Getz seems like he's sneakily throwing JR under the bus with some of the things he's been saying.

You are a Getz defender .Shame on you ! What ? Oh you're in the grey area that's made up of JR is the much bigger problem , were stuck with Getz until JR figures out that Getz is doing things he doesn't like or is incompetent or JR becomes no more , and his heirs sell the team ? Welcome !!

Larry Himes may have been the last Sox GM to actually stand up to him. It's probably why he was fired . @Lip Man 1 Did Himes ever disclose why he was fired .He was pretty successful as I recall drafting some big names that turned the Sox into a very strong team.

Exactly. Goal 1 is make money for himself his investors and his heirs. Goal 2 is to win. It's a top priority until it interferes with Goal 1 which with his ultra coversative approach, it happens all the time .

Not expecting Robert to rob a HR but he sure looked bad on it. He jumped backwards and hit the wall . Get back, jump straight up. Tigers with 3rd 4 run inning .

At this point I'd tell Vargas to imitate Judge's stance and hands position. Couldn't do worse than he is now.