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I doubt he wouldve taken a MILB contract 3 months ago.

Benintendi can sit more instead of being a fixture in LF every freaking day.

I wouldnt say he sucks. A guy has to get some ABs under his belt. Hes got a great arm , just needed some work on his fundamentals on defense. His bat has played anywhere hes been even though he had to be rusty when he first got to the states. AT the highest levels his lack of consistent AB's against high level pitching has been apparent.

What does this even mean ? Are you just piling on now to get a chuckle ? What should've been done that wasn't done the next day? Are you suggesting Kopech was supposed to pitch the day after he threw 2.0 innings ? He was unavailable, Leasure was unavailable, Brebbia was injured. Wlison was pitching in his second consecutive game and 4th in the last 6 and they luckily got a 7 pitch inning out of him . I'm just as upset as anyone that the team is filled with has beens and never was'. But they suck and their best relief pitchers weren't available. Things change from day to day, that's how pitching worksnot only in the starting rotation but also in the BP. Expect wins perhaps weekly.

Except that he never came close to actually being on the Chicago White Sox. I do remember reading he was distraught when he heard that he was traded.

Finally an honest fan who doesn't act like he knows everything and didn't put words in anyone's mouth. West Eddy is just saying it's pretty subjective and it's hard to argue either way when we basically know nothing and it's not like Getz was in charge very long . How many years was it and how many succeedes can you expect in that time frame and how does that compare to other teams ?Plus there's the whole definition of what should be counted as a success. There's just so many people involved in the scouting ,drafting and development of hundreds of players and then you have the biggest obstacle of all (JR) looming over everything that has always hurt the Sox development of any youths. I always bring up the Dominican Republic, the best Latin America country to get prospects in the last 50 years . Why is baseball filled with DR stars and the Sox have never had one ? It's all on JR because he refused to play the game in the DR that all the other clubs in MLB were playing. We'll never know if he was sincere about that the process being too shady or íf it was just another way to say I'm not spending money there. It still continues to this day. And there always reports about lack of personnel and equipment to keep up with the latest tech in all phases of the organization . For JR the all encompassing player development dept. is an easy area to cut funds that escapes the attention of the media and thus the fans.

JR would have to pay for Ellipses in the dugout and redesign the dugout so its not likely but it would be innovative.

I actually think that's a jab at JR. For anyone wanting Getz fired this quote might piss JR off enough to do it. Of course it would be after Getz contract runs out.

Maybe there shouldn't be a bench in the dugout just treadmills* and modern stationary bikes. *Treadmills may be too dangerous for some our players.

Ok .If that's the case it's not very independent thinking.Why be an echo chamber for Getz ?

Maybr it's supposed to be funny ? Some people just have strange internet personalities. It might be his way of protesting how much he despises the Sox now.?‍♂️

Ok but u didn't say banking on Vaughn hasn't exactly been a developmental win either.How many more MLB plate appearances does Vaughn have compared to Sheets ? Vaughn's a top 5 pick in the draft and Sheets a 2nd round pick. Neither has distinguished themselves in any way. At this point I'll lean towards a hot hitter in a sea of bats with holes in them . No one's going all in on anybody , just leaning and happy to see some positive.

Worst player of all time in 11 games ?? You can't make this s%*# up . Did this turn into a football season ?

So basically we're at the point that every Sox player is bad and we cannot hope for any type of development that is not linear ? Meh I'll keep hoping against the odds that they find some quality MLB players just by holding onto some guys. It may haved worked in some cases like Semien and Tatis, Jr. or would they have withered on the vine ?

And I usually try to back up what I say with stats when the guys arguing against you don't take into account much of anything except whats in front of their noses. I actually looked up each relief pitchers game logs over the past week or so and in Wilson's case how he's been used in his career. Then once i also remembered Brebbria was injured I couldnt remember if they brought up a pitcher so I looked at the transactions and saw Shuster was brought up. The game he pitched was one of the few games I didnt watch this year.

I guess we're still waiting to know when Clevinger will make a start. I suppose he may get a minor league game or 2 once they feel he's ready. But in the mean time with the off day today maybe they reset the rotation and they're all on normal rest now ?

Because of the off day this thread has yet to be banished to the Sox archives. I do like discussing the game sometimes but its difficult when you're discussing with an angry fan base and just I don't want to be another sheep mindlessly playing follow the leader. I'm not a contrarian or a troll or water carrier. i Just think I see what other fans ignore. It's just too easy to say a guy is a bad manager or bad exectuive when their whole position or station was by being a part of Reinsdorf's Peter Principle.

Right which was what I thought and why I suggested sending Shuster back down after his 1 appearance. But it didnt happen I guess because today's an off day so the BP gets some much needed rest. They did what they could yesterday but if the game went any longer Shaw just would've had to pitch another inning.

Yes it works for him and his heirs and other investors, not so much the team on the field or fans. I'm not too hard on Getz but I do point out mistakes. I think he should have been on top of the Moncada injury and made an executive decision to IL him. Also after Soroka's short stint and Brebbia's injury with Leasure and Kopech having pitched 2 inning April 9th and Shuster having pitched 3 innings April 8th so he also wasn't available ,you had 3 guys who couldn't pitch and a 4th guy in Wilson who gutted out a short inning of work, I'm thinking another pitcher could have been called up as soon as you took Soroka out 2 days ago. Grifol was managing with a short BP.

Grifol not being fired was on Getz and but mostly JR. He's selling guys for cash and keeping tabs on the pennies he's saving when as usual he cant comprehend the big picture. Penny wise pound foolish at least when it comes to creating a competent baseball team but pretty good at bullshitting his way into being solvent. Benintendi is just one of many guys killing the team even more so than the others because he is another slappy , over rated fielder getting paid big bucks.

Of course you care. Don't BS me. You wanted a guy, who has been pitching well ,who has been used a lot lately , to pitch another inning so they had a better chance to win the game. You couldn't tell me how much Wilson had been used lately or that Brebbia was injured or that Kopech and Leasure were unavailable because they each pitched 2 innings yesterday. I didn't see you asking why didn't Garcia or Leone didn't pitch another inning. Why? Because they suck and you wanted to win the game and your rationale was that your crystal ball told you he wouldn't have got hurt.? Did your crystal ball tell you Brebbia was going to get hurt so he also wasn't available for yesterdays game ? Those are some top notch managerial skills. Now you have to resort to saying I'm carrying water for the franchise when all I usually do is point out JR is the one responsible for everything bad that the Sox do. What I'm actually doing is questioning your lack of understanding of the game and you bullshitting me that you didn't want them to win that game yesterday .

It's a matter of perspective. Benintendi is supposed to be one of the best players on the team. Last year he did well hitting leadoff and a lot of people here didn't think he'd move Benintendi down in the lineup. Who wouldn't you complain about batting 5th . They don't really have 3 middle of the order bats. Do you put Lee, a rookie, in a high pressure situation like that .Sheets against a RHP. Most people here wanted him in the minors or DFAd but of course you say it's not a stroke of managerial insight that he made the team or got ABs even before Robert ,Moncada and Eloy got injured and earned his playing time. Give me your lineup right now against RH and LH starting pitching and let's count all the guys hitting poorly you put in positions of importance. Let's hear you keep track of how relief pitchers are used to and who to put into games and when to take out a SP when the team needs him to absorb some innings because your BP has been used up. Hard decisions can't be made just based on what's going on in the game. Fans complain about everything. DeJong didn't score from 3rd with a hard hit ball right at the SS with the infield when apparently there was not a run on contact play on there. Why didn't Wilson pitch another inning ?Why did they not do a suicide squeeze with Benintendi ? Why couldn't you pitch Wilson another inning ?Why did they pitch those bums Garcia and Leone ? Why is Shaw there ? Why did they PH for Lee? Why did he play Moncada when he was injured ? He left Fedde in too long. As a fan you ask why and don't have to justify everything you would have done before the game , who to play and were to bat them in the lineup , when to PH,when to take out the starting pitching based on how much the BP has been used, when to use a PR, when to do a hit and run. When to steal, when to give a take sign , when to give a 3-0 green light ,where to position fielders ,when to make defensive replacements. Even their supposedly top players weren't playing well .Eloy before he got hurt wasn't hitting but he's probably not 100 % either since he did have something wrong at the end of spring training. Robert had one 2 homer game , he looked bad most of the other games but played decent defense. Now you have to rely on Colas, Sosa, Lee , Sheets , Benintendi, Shewmake.Grossman, Pillar, Fletcher, Vaughn . DeJong and Lopez even more .None of these guys except Sheets and Lee who only started getting more playing time once Stassi went down, haven't exactly been setting the world on fire. Brebbia is out. Kopech and Leasure both pitched 2 innings yesterday so they were unavailable also because of Soroka not being able to pitch 4 innings the day before.

Thats what you put on him without knowing anything about him. Players play hurt all the time. Many managers play players who are hurt because they say they want to play. The only thing that makes this situation laughable is that Moncadas injury happened the day after Grifol was honest or stupid enough to say he was injured. Getz could have prevented the injury if he wasn't a rookie GM and hasn't made keeping the tradable assets as healthy as he can a top priority. Grifol could have benched him because he didnt look so good the day before but he probably belonged on the IL and that's an executive decision.

Surprised ? Come on now that can't come as a shock to anyone.