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By confidence I'm not talking about what he says at all. I am talking about what is done or in this case not done. If they want to compete in 2020 then he should have been brought up be it June 1st ,July 1st, or August1 1st. My main point is you don't go into battle without one of your serious weapons. I realize it's only a handful of games but if he struggles at 1st like Moncada and Eloy then it becomes however long it takes him to adjust . I was just hoping he could get adjusted this year but he may be a guy who doesn't struggle much. I'm certainly hoping for that now. I'd put Madrigal in the same boat though he is not the weapon Robert is but still possibly better than anyone currently in the mix. I look forward to the off season but just don't think the Sox have their hearts or wallet into doing what's necessary to compete next year. This constant need to look at the distant future such as they did when KW gave his reasons for missing out on Machado seems like the exact same thing when anyone talks about 2026. They haven't shown me anything to think they can have sustained success but I'd gladly take a 3-5 year window that has a reasonable chance at a World Championship opening next year.

OK Ptatc you're always in good standing.

They might be silly I agree with that but he's had one bad month and 5 good ones. To say because of that one bad month he is more in line with his career stats is just not true. For all of Agust he is hitting as well if not better than the 1st half.

I don't wish they lock him up but he did start the post All Star games in a big slump. However he rebounded very nicely from that In the last 30 games he is at .278/.323/.467/.790 including 2 grand slams. In the last 7 games he is at .304/.333/.696/1.029 . In August he is at .333/.380/.591/.971

That seems easy enough.They are worried about Reinsdorf's risk aversion to signing guys especially starting pitchers to long term/expensive deals and his owner protection clauses that top FA don't want to deal with.

Ah ok so I'm back to me and Parkman lol. But I do now have Fegan on my side.

Maybe he would be more positive when he see signs that the Sox are doing things to make sustained success a reality . The rebuild is almost over and those things should've started 3 years ago.

Oh gotcha . I was starting to feel alone here thinking I was the only one who still wanted them( Robert and Madrigal along with Yermin Collins Mendick) up asap. I know it's still against what a lot of knowledgeable posters here think but in my own defense I think I am just as knowledgeable and it's nice to see my opinion backed up by Fegan when some of the guys who want them (Robert and Madrigal) kept down are very arrogant in their views like it's the only smart thing to do. I do know Parkman also believes they should be up too.

Wait so you are saying Fegan doesn't actually believe what he writes now and is just a shill for hits? That would severely tarnish his rep as a very knowledgeable if not the most knowledgeable Sox writer out there. Do you say this because the opinion in the article goes against your own personal opinion ?

But how successful and impactful will the players they do sign be ?

Nice to see this addressed by Fegan even if I can't read it, Just by what it says in the title is exactly what I've been getting at. The Sox aren't saying 2020 is a contending year and probably don't have a lot of confidence then that they will sign impactful Free Agents otherwise calling Robert and Madrigal up wouldve made a lot of sense. Whereas here many are expecting the Sox to contend but still want them kept down. If I am wrong about the contend of the article based on the title I'm sure someone will tell me.

This is kind of overblown . Teams are still in pennant races and want to still win. Plenty of teams play their regular starting rotation down the stretch. It's very debatable how much other call ups, especially pitching, we'll be playing against. I'm not sure but didn't you think they should 've been up earlier ? @Chicago White Sox also mentioned something about August 1 being the time they should ve been brought up. The more I think about it it just seems pretty arbitrary to say they should ve been brought up a month ago so they could play against ML pitching and gain the experience of playing 70 or so games but shouldn't be brought up now because it's only 40 games of experience. That to me is the most curious take of all.

Not true. I pick and choose carefully what I complain about. I don't think i am viewed as a complainer . I just have reasons I think sustained success is a mirage and more emphasis was put on winning asap and less emphasis put on 2026. I also have to question why it's the people who want them up who are complaining when I could say the same about your view but I choose to acknowledge both sides have valid reasons for wanting things the way they do.

Oh I get the logic I just don't agree with it. If that's whiny I can live with it. It's not like I expect the Sox to sign some great FA's anyway to put us in a position to make the playoffs . But if they do I'll be doubly bothered about the service time logic and even more so if Robert and Madrigal struggle which basically doubles the games for adjustment time since it's 2 players missing those games.

So many good games from prospects today is very nice.

Woo hoo back in the lineup and picking up where he left off !

And on the other hand all those things he has to work on in AAA for the rest of the minor league season and the games before he is brought up next year are still likely to exist. It's not like he is going to start walking a bunch more in the MiLB playoffs. I rather have him adjusting to major league pitching . Remember even brought up now and continuing into next year is more games than him staying down and playing in the playoffs and also being down next year before they bring him up. Maybe it's approx the same depending how deep into the playoffs the Knights go. But one thing for sure , he is going to be swinging the bat in the playoffs not looking to walk.

What course is that again ?

Free Yermin ok in a week Free him.

There's no point in expecting it anymore but however many games are left plus however many he misses at the beginning of the year before being called up are all games that can lead him to faster assimilation to ML pitching, At this point what is that 40 games or so if he started every game ? It's all probably moot anyway . The Sox don't want to win in 2020 otherwise they'd have brought him up already . And if they do happen to sign some productive FA's that keep us close to a playoff berth while at the same time Robert struggles for his 1st 40 ish games I'll be here God willing to say "see they should've brought him up." I know it's his 1st year being productive and injury free but seeing so many agree with Hahn is just nauseating. Have fun missing the playoffs again next year Hahn.

Using the Dodgers as a comparable to the Sox hmmm. Look at what you said ,GOOD teams don't want their players to play small ball. Dodgers are a good team , the Sox aren't .The Dodgers top 5 HR's hitter have 122 combined HR's. They have 5 regulars with 3.0 b/WAR or better with Bellinger at 8.0. Again I don't see much justification for bunting as much as he does either but they still have a lineup full of crud and Detwiler was just as likely to get lit up as Jurrado only he wasn't. I'm just happy it's been a good night all the way around tonight. Even with Jurrado being bad he's still in there .It's not like he is so bad the Sox hit him so hard he was forced from the game . One big inning and 2 small ones. I'll take 6 runs any way I can get them most nights.

No it wasn't hindsight it was just commenting that they worked this time. Would I have preferred he not bunt so early ? Yes but it's not like murderers row was coming up so I gave RR the benefit of the doubt that at least he did what he said in his comments which was he knows his players. More in that 1st situation that the 2nd one. This time it worked whereas others only choose to make fun of RR regardless of if it worked or not, I know this is a gamethread and short and vindictive comments are par for the course and this is no place for actually baseball discussions but it just gets a little tiresome .

Oh no McCann K's with a runner in scoring position OMG what are we paying him for ? He couldn't do what he was supposed to do or wanted to do there !

Sure with a line up and pitching that's bad of course they are going to lose. There is a place for self sacrifice on winning teams . Granted with a team full of good players maybe RR still does it and that's why we all want him gone. Many players get greeted in the dugout for hitting behind runners as if they got a hit.Everyone appreciates it even if we all don't.