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Balta you re a great poster who analyzes many things accurately but sometimes it seems like you are playing both sides of the fence and expect things to work out in perfect fashion if they stick to some magic script of rebuilding. You expect the Sox to spend money this off season right ? You have said that before and you want heads to roll if they don't , correct ? I'm just asking why do you insist that all the guys you mentioned in your list all needed playing time ? Is Tilson, Delmonico, Davidson, Cordell, Leury, Engel, Sanchez all so highly thought of that losing any one or more of them would have been so terrible. Sure you want to see them develop but realistically they are all nothing special and thats where tough decisions have to be made. If one comes back to be a good player some day so be it. That also is going to be a part of the rebuild process. Sometimes you just have to go off script when opportunities present themselves such as this past off season. I think you have to add good players when you can either to flip or keep. You want some good free agent(s) next year, Some want to wait longer . At what point when these guys refuse your offers do to start to get really worried ? The youth will only carry you so far and as of now there are tons of holes filled with guys who we are giving chances to that just aren't producing or developing. Outside of Jimenez and Kopech and a few relievers do you actually expect to be good enough to play on a great team ? Most of the talent on the farm is still at least a year away . Then there will be the growing pains .It just feels as if the timeline for success keeps getting pushed another year away. This past season I wanted Moustaskas and JD Martinez . I think i made decent choices depending on what the Royals get for him if traded at the deadline to see if its considered better than the draft pick we would have lost for him. I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong but everyone has in there heads rebuilds go step by step according to some grand plan when I think improvisation once in a while isn't so bad.

Sox sure have given up a ton of runs in the 8th inning recently Including that 8 run inning and now this 7 run inning.

That still leaves guys like Moncada Kopech Cease Rutherford Dunning Giolto and Basabe. Noyt a lot of position players in there if you were thinking more along those lines.

Better than Eloy ?

You notice I didn't once mention Giolito once right ? So telling me you don't cut bait on him is preaching to the choir. Just saying he pitched very well at a high level . Just because he pitched better than Kopech doesn't mean I rather have him than Kopech but it means he does know how to pitch whether the stuff would ve translated we all kind of doubt it but scrap heap finds are all part of the process.

I think it was 90% a money choice. I'm sure he's getting a lot more money in Japan than he does in the minors. He's not getting younger and I'm sure he realistically knows his chances of getting a ML salary are slim.

We also want to get value from the guys we end up dumping if we can. I'm not advocating anything drastic just saying would have been fine with me if Roach got a shot but we'll never know and that's OK too. There's a lot of names on the team now who will be gone including plenty of the guys who play mostly every day and those in the starting rotation. We aren't trying to win either so if you aren't trying to win it means you're OK with losing as part of the plan.

You could spin it another way you know. Finding diamonds in the rough is par for the course for rebuilds. Sure chances are he'd end up bad again and his age definitely wouldn't make him a part of the future but if he pitched well enough could 've ended up netting the Sox something besides whatever they got from the Japanese team that got him. 3/4 of the current 25 man roster won't be on the Sox in 2 years.Hell maybe the same for the 40 man. Adding another one wouldn't be a terrible thing.

Eh I don't think it's unreasonable to see what he could have done again at the MLB level. Sure he doesn't miss many bats but neither do the current Sox starters so far. His upside is limited by age of course but he put up very good numbers except his K/9 but he throws strike and gets a lot of ground balls. He probably would 've been called up this year at some point. But when the money presents itself you have to do whats best for you. Good luck in Japan Donn.

The SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game rosters have been announced. Cease is on the US team and Basabe the World team I'm sure a few more Sox prospects would have made it if not for injuries. It will be played July 15th at Nationals Park. Fernando Tatis jr. made the World team. https://www.mlb.com/marlins/news/2018-futures-game-rosters-revealed/c-284471810

Madrigal might be a leprechaun the way his teams seem to come back to win so much? Sox could use a lucky charm..

O well, all's wells that ends badly.

Volstad is a wreaking ball all by himself

You can repeat this for the ninth if Cincy doesn't score 4 this inning.

Tilson is on the bench not sure if after that anyone else is available . Still may need to PH for the pitcher if the need arises

No birthday present for you . J/k happy birthday !

Oops brought in Hughes

Mound visit to tell Lorenzen slider slider slider slider slider to Avi.

Scooter Gennett's a pretty good player for a 16th rounder. I'd be real happy if Madrigal plays like him just faster developing.

Not sure I would call him a grinder . That's usually implies some lack of talent but a hard nosed player . I think of him as Grinder Deluxe perhaps.

Pretty funny being in the game thread and not knowing he was just pitching . Guy throws 98 can't just throw that away

There's always Davidson

And the sideburns

Can we hire Alex Gordon as an OF coach ? Oh he's still playing you say ? Nevermind.

That's why I sort of remember them because I swear everyone was gaga over all these great young arms . Not sure if i was in that thread but if I was i might've asked something like but can they pitch ? Maybe I'm thinking of Boone Logan but he didnt suck.