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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) I agree with this. They could greatly improve, but with so many good teams in the league, there is a chance that their record might not be good enough. If they can have a good non-conference season, get some excitement going and the Hall rockin', hopefully they can get a couple big home wins against the top teams. Either way, there is no more Bruce Weber, so things are looking up. In Groce We Trust! Yeah. Illinois could end up being a legitimately good team and still finish 9th in the conference,

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 11:42 AM) Jenks, I agree with that for the most part. Realistic prediction: over. 500, make the NIT. I'm more worried about how we look and grow as the season goes on. That does seem like a realistic prediction. I don't think it's completely out of the question Illinois makes the NCAA tournament this year, they just might have a problem with an incredibly deep and strong Big Ten. However, if they can win a few good games in conference, that should help them out come selection Sunday.

"Intellerection"

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) SS I seriously don't understand how you can say liberalism won when pretty much everyone that supported Obama acknowledged he hasn't done a good job and it's more of a lesser of two evils situation. That's not advocating for more liberalism. Looking at the election as a whole (ie, not just presidential race), I think he has somewhat of a point -- same-sex marriage measures passed in multiple states, a proposed amendment that would have said marriage was between 1 man 1 woman was voted down in Minnesota, the nation's first openly gay senator elected (and it was a woman in a state that's never elected a female senator, no less), the first Buddhist and Hindu congressmen were elected, and two states legalized marijuana under their own laws.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 09:27 AM) UCLA is the most intriguing team in the country to me this year, their floor is so low and their ceiling is so high imo. Agreed. I could see them completely imploding and being no better than a 7 seed, and I could see them winning the National Championship. I have no idea. If I had to guess though, they'll be a 1 or a 2 seed, but not the #1 overall seed.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 08:55 AM) Do you think if the pro-life party would make contraception more available and encourage more sexual education, this might change? You keep making reasonable points in this thread that are getting overlooked, so I thought I'd highlight this one.

Season starts tonight! I'm somewhat worried about the frontcourt for the first part of the season, what with Elston being out til mid-December with a torn meniscus and Jurkin and Mosquera-Parea suspended for the first 9 games (first game back would be December 15th against Butler, so they'd miss North Carolina and the Legends Classic). Probably going to see some unconventional lineups in games, with Hollowell and Sheehey getting time at the 4, and Jeff Howard actually playing meaningful minutes. Even without them though, that wouldn't be an excuse in an of itself for losing any of these games, including UNC or UCLA/Georgetown.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) And that's a perfectly acceptable position. The problem arises when everyone starts talking about "well, let's protect a fetus when it's life!" and people say "Well, a 10 week old fetus is life!" The thing is, a lot of the people who say the former really aren't talking about any sort of scientific standard, and are really just conflating it with when they think that fetus should be deserving of protection -- which speaks to issues larger than just abortion (the not-working-within-a-vacuum-thing I was talking about). Essentially, people end up arguing about different things without realizing it, and no progress gets made either way. Ok, I thought the thread would bear this out again, but I didn't expect it to take three posts.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 08:09 AM) And I'm saying that living in a society where protecting human life is not the top priority is very dangerous. And that's a perfectly acceptable position. The problem arises when everyone starts talking about "well, let's protect a fetus when it's life!" and people say "Well, a 10 week old fetus is life!" The thing is, a lot of the people who say the former really aren't talking about any sort of scientific standard, and are really just conflating it with when they think that fetus should be deserving of protection -- which speaks to issues larger than just abortion (the not-working-within-a-vacuum-thing I was talking about). Essentially, people end up arguing about different things without realizing it, and no progress gets made either way.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 08:11 AM) I went 2-3 years ago for New years in Vegas. It was alright. Packed and pretty expensive. I decided to go January 2-6 this year, which I got a 5 star hotel (Aria) for $73 a night. Don't get me wrong, it's one heckuva time, but you gotta throw some money around to get into the clubs that night with all the celebs out and about. You see tons of familiar faces. Hmm. Perhaps it would be better to go right after. It's more that I want to go Vegas since I've never been at all, so I figured might as well go all out and do New Year's-- but it's probably not worth a s*** ton of extra money to me, which is what it would likely be.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 06:44 AM) No, you can't both respect human life and at the same time allow others to decide when abortion is acceptable. We don't allow that at any other stage of life. That's an inconsistent position. Now, people here are arguing that an unborn baby is not actually a human life, which I believe is proven wrong but at least does not make supporting abortion rights an inconsistent position. Believing that the unborn baby is a human life and also believing that abortion should be legal is a slippery slope into all kinds of awful stuff. No, it's not an inconsistent position. It would only be inconsistent if the premise were that "protecting human life" is the absolutely top priority, but it's not. Sure, that could be the top priority if you were talking abortion as if it were in a vacuum, but we're not discussing it in a vacuum. We're talking about it in the context of what our society should and should not allow. Abortion rights are then just a subset of THAT entire discussion (what society should and should not allow), which places the priority for abortion ("protecting human life") in a subordinate position to the priority for what society should and should not allow. In my view, the top priority in considering what society should or should not allow is that when the society cannot approach anything resembling a consensus, we let people make their own choice. Now, we can certainly disagree about what the top priorities really are -- I'm just saying it's important to remember the framework we're working under when talking about things like abortion. I don't think ever written the word "priority" so many times in a single post.

I've been thinking about going with some friends to Vegas for New Years 2013/4 (as in, night of December 31, 2013), but I've never been there before and have no clue how to even research it really. Where to stay? What to do? TELL ME EVERYTHING.

RE: Huge Abortion Debate I think Jake made a really good point that seemed to be overlooked. This is a pretty contentious issue, so the bottom lie to me is that when as a society we cannot decide on anything resembling a consensus way to handle the issue, we have to let people make their own choice. And in the general public debate that goes on concerning abortion, many seem to forget that "pro-choice" doesn't mean "KILL FETUSES" to a lot of people; it merely means that they can respect what they consider human life, while respecting the right of others to make their own decision about when abortion is acceptable. And I think it's in that sense that people like StrangeSox are saying this really is a moral, not scientific, issue.

I've already seen TCV and Foo Fighters live, so I might as well see QOTSA, right?

I was very proud of Minnesota, we voted NO to the gay marriage and voter ID amendments. First state to NOT pass an amendment defining marriage as 1 man 1 woman. Well, Arizona did, but then passed it two years later. I highly doubt it would even be put on the ballot again here, let alone pass.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 11:17 PM) Personally, I think ALL drugs should be completely legalized. Enough of this black market s*** that kills more people than the drugs do. IIRC, Portugal did something like this, and it actually helped them somewhat.

There's going to be another QOTSA album, and Dave Grohl is going to play drums on it.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 5, 2012 -> 07:56 PM) You and everyone else And what's that other guy talking about Boardwalk having been boring? It's been amazing. Yeah it has. Another great one last night, though the two before it had been a bit slow. Van Alden going ape s*** in the iron office was fantastic.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) My prediction: IU will win today against Iowa, just to get my hopes up, and then get absolutely destroyed by Wisconsin next week. Phase One complete.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 07:20 AM) They will all pass within two miles of my house on the way. I'm guessing you live right off 65?

My prediction: IU will win today against Iowa, just to get my hopes up, and then get absolutely destroyed by Wisconsin next week.

I have: 2 Broke Girls The Big Bang Theory Criminal Minds Person of Interest Boardwalk Empire Homeland Copper (just ended but I still have a few episodes to watch) The League American Horror Story World Without End (miniseries currently airing on Reelz, it's an adaptation of a Ken Follett novel)

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 06:47 PM) How about BTN trying to charge us to watch these early games? LOL. Yeah it's ridiculous.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 05:50 PM) No costume, but I'll share my angler fish jack-o-lantern that I think came out quire nicely. Damn sir, that's quite impressive.

Forget just in the discussion, Klein's gotta be in the lead. Miller #2, Te'O #3.