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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 05:22 PM) He had 21 holds so he obviously pitched well during some close games. His August and September weren't ideal, but it does lend credence to the theory that he had not pitched very much the past several years and he may have been gassed. I think if they trade Jenks, he has to be the top candidate within to close. Linebrink is much better a set up guy, Thornton a definite wild card who had to request to sit down late in the season a couple of times because he was tired. I don't think that Jenks will ultimately be traded, but if he is, KW has had his eye on Juan Cruz forever. He could step into Dotel's role with OD getting the ninth. Or maybe KW thinks Cruz could be the guy in the ninth. I think if Jenks goes, he's definitely high on KW's wish list. In my opinion you have to KNOW someone can take over the role of the closer, or any critical role you are going to fill when you trade someone who has shown they are an ace closer. Bobby Jenks has shown he can do it and I still wonder if there wasn't something physically (or mentally) holding him back even though he was very successful. I continue to point out his fastball speed getting back up to 95 to 97 or so and that curve breaking like it did towards the last month or so. You don't give up someone like Jenks for maybe's and expect to win titles

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) Mark Buehrle, if we actually wished to trade him, is probably worth more than he was a year ago...not less. Jenks, as has been mentioned, if you find the right deal KW, go ahead and pull the trigger and roll the dice. I'm up for it. I think it would be a mistake to trqade Jenks. I was cocnerned about Jenks and what seemed to be his knack for giving up a walk and a hit in each inning he pitched, but towards the last month of the season I saw his velocity getting up there again and that curve making a huge impact. Whatveer was wrong before that seems to have been cured. IMO anyway. Of course Mark Buerhle is still one of out best starters and I just don't think you start messing with your starting pitching. I can't believe there wwere some here calling for Floyd to be traded. Especially when you combine Floydor Vazquez and Jenks and try to get one player, who may be good, but I think has slipped some himself

QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 8, 2008 -> 11:23 PM) I think we'd need something in addition to Beltran if we are giving up both Jenks and Vazquez. I was reading down the posts to see if anyone would say this before me so here you are and I agree. The clubs ace reliever and at least a #3 starter on most teasm for one player. Once again I point out how much we undervalue our own. I think we got into the playoffs with our two guys, but I don't remember seeing the Mets there

Actually I thought this was a good article. That Shelby kid could prove very interesting

Jerry Owens is fast

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 11:14 PM) You don't trade Jenks for a package of prospects. The rumors from other sites is that it would be Vazquez and Jenks for Beltran. However, this seems like the longest of longshots. I don't understand the rationale at all in suggesting let alone discussing this type of trade. Maybe it was brought up-by the Mets and not the Sox

At 19 years of age is he ready to play in the bigs? If signed would he and his agent expect to be with the ML club right away? Is his name Joe Crede?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) Stop trying to find us Outfielders! We have 4 not counting Wise and Owens! We're not trading 1 OF to keep having too many OF's! Plus if you give them time to develop we just mind find our cf'er within our own ranks

What I would expect when we talk or think about a trade is we get quality back to fill a spot and not be looking to fill one and open another hole. Jermaine Dye is a major piece of our team. Plus why trade two people for one? Let's place some value on our own players and stop thinking about 2 or 3 of our ball players being worth only one of someone elses unless we talk real blockbusters here. I really expect to see some trades obviously, but maybe we can look to the free agent list and add to what we already have in place, which was good enough to win a division title, and not think we are trying to make ourselves into contenders. We are winners and just need a bit extra to bring us the big title.

He also lists Esteban Loaiza being lost as a free agent. He was already released. Poor reporting and it makes you wonder about these so called analysts as it really appears they have little in the way of team knowledge. I also get a bit tired of how a player over 30 is automatically "another year past their prime."

QUOTE (HeGone33 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 06:13 PM) Hawk praising someone constantly makes them a decent pitcher.............interesting. Very insightful to say the least

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 06:47 PM) Stoney was just on the Score and closed out his report by saying "SOME" teams may want to move Hudson to center field. He emphasized SOME. Seems like maybe a hint at some things he cant say. If in fact Stone is already tipping off what KW might do tradewise that would be a problem. My guess is he might be just passing along info that has been discussed by others and is not related to any Sox issues.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 07:14 PM) Cano had a down season and is poor defensively but he typically rakes. I wouldn't be opposed at all to acquiring him. The question is at what cost. I would hesitate because of the poor "D". I would much rather see the consistently super defense then rely of just offsne. How fast is Cano anyway? Stolen bases, etc?

Another tall tale from Kenny? At the 2006 winter meetings, White Sox G.M. Ken Williams told me that he probably would not trade a starting pitcher before spring training. He sent Freddy Garcia to the Phillies that night. Needless to say, I'm skeptical that Williams will go with Chris Getz and Jayson Nix at second, Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens in center field and Josh Fields at third base. Williams, however, says that the White Sox are comfortable adding to their young core even if it means using unproven players at three positions. "It's really tough to get more speed and get more athletic if you don't get a little younger in the process," Williams said. "It's tough to have it both ways." Perhaps, and a free agent such as second baseman Orlando Hudson likely will be too expensive for the White Sox. Then again, Williams also said that the Sox are getting "a lot" of interest in their veterans — presumably, right fielder Jermaine Dye, right-hander Javier Vazquez and outfielder Nick Swisher. As always, Williams will consider anything and everything, forever in search of his next surprise. — Ken Rosenthal

Another tall tale from Kenny? At the 2006 winter meetings, White Sox G.M. Ken Williams told me that he probably would not trade a starting pitcher before spring training. He sent Freddy Garcia to the Phillies that night. Needless to say, I'm skeptical that Williams will go with Chris Getz and Jayson Nix at second, Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens in center field and Josh Fields at third base. Williams, however, says that the White Sox are comfortable adding to their young core even if it means using unproven players at three positions. "It's really tough to get more speed and get more athletic if you don't get a little younger in the process," Williams said. "It's tough to have it both ways." Perhaps, and a free agent such as second baseman Orlando Hudson likely will be too expensive for the White Sox. Then again, Williams also said that the Sox are getting "a lot" of interest in their veterans — presumably, right fielder Jermaine Dye, right-hander Javier Vazquez and outfielder Nick Swisher. As always, Williams will consider anything and everything, forever in search of his next surprise. — Ken Rosenthal

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 07:29 AM) From the article: "While that is not completely clear, the feeling about Vazquez seems to be someone else's big contract, offsetting his $23 million for two years. The Mets might offer disappointing second baseman Luis Castillo, who is owed $18 million over three years. The Sox could use a second baseman, with Alexei Ramirez slated for shortstop. The Red Sox, looking for a reliable starter, could offer veteran infielder Julio Lugo, who has two years and $18 million left. Lugo is a potential leadoff hitter with speed." Whatever Dave van Dyck is feeling, it is probably something up his ass since the above smells like bulls***. There is no way Javy's contract at 2 years/$11.5M per is an albatross. AJ Burnett is just as shaky as Javy, yet he has an injury history and will be looking for 4/$60 or so, maybe more. I want Javy off this team as much or possibly even more than anybody else, but mentioning Javy with the likes of Julio Lugo and a hobbled Luis Castillo is like me saying the Sox could get a similarly talented player coming off a bad year, like Huston Street, for Mike MacDougal. It's a f***ing joke. The only way a deal like that goes through is if 1) the Mets assume all of Javy's salary, 2) the Mets/Red Sox assume most of Castillo's or Lugo's salary, and 3) if that team gives us some very nice additional pieces. Javy is signed to the type of contract that is impossible to receive on the FA market. He gives you 200K's or near it, an ERA in the 4's, 200+ IP, and the ability to dominate. This piece of the article is bulls***, completely. As for Swisher, I have no problem dealing him at all, and if we could get a similar reclamation project or prospect(s), I would jump at the chance. In terms of his lack of hitting ability, his mediocre at best CF defense, his salary owed, and the talent traded to acquire him, Swisher in 2008 was the biggest disappointment I have seen on this team ever. I honestly cannot recall a bigger flop than last year's Nick Swisher. At least Jaime Navarro didn't cost a load of prospects that could have gotten us a very good player. Perhaps worst of all were those annoying commercials of him doing the worm that aired in between his epic strikeouts where he worked the count full just to watch a meatball sail down the heart of the plate. I agree. Why would we trade for someone elses "disappointing" players? These writers have too much time on their hands at this time of the year. Swisher might be the one on the block for sure though.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 05:33 AM) Or he'll start in RF, in fact if I had to put money on it I'd say Dye would be the one to go. Why would Dye be the one? A quiet leader who hits 35-45 homers and drives in 100 plus runs and hits close to or over .300 and is consistent over "Captain Morgan"? I just don't see the logic. Plus his best posiiton is 1B. We have him basically playing out of position, but once agin the clutch performer is PK at 1B in my opinion. KW might be saying think about where someone is playing, but it's November not March or April.

I don't think so

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 4, 2008 -> 12:00 AM) Rolen is on his last legs. His shoulder is extremely weak now. That would be a terrible trade. A deal of Javy for Glaus would make a lot more sense. Plus I think he got the boot from Tony Larussa for not being a team player

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 06:13 PM) I would really like to see Carlton Fisk back with the organization as a coach and ready to step in for Ozzie. Ventura also. But, maybe with 3B being as up in the air as it is Rockin Robin can can still play? Heck while we are at it maybe Fisk can still play as backup to Perz?

I would really like to see Carlton Fisk back with the organization as a coach and ready to step in for Ozzie. Ventura also. But, maybe with 3B being as up in the air as it is Rockin Robin can can still play?

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Nov 3, 2008 -> 05:55 PM) Everyone wants to get rid of Javy it seems but NO ONE has come up with a plan to fill the now TWO OPEN spots in the rotation with the exception of taking a flyer on Richard who hasn't done dick and sign a FA who would cost the same and probably put up worse numbers than Javy...I understand the frustration with the guy that's why you make him A FIFTH f***ING STARTER!!! He's not a bad #5 guys Mercy Not everyone wants to get rid of Javy, but your point is well taken. Actually for what he gave us he is better than a 5th starter. Remember the disaster we saw with Danny Wright et al. We probbaly wil sdee Javy in '09 anyway because of the injury to Contreras. We will be hard pressed to fill 2 starting spots

QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 06:57 PM) So, we're going to go with more 'speed', but bad defense? Sounds like a plan! Makes sense doesn't it? They can run after the balls they boot faster

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) he's not going to bring a whole lot with his salary. Disagree. Teams will look at 200 plus innings and 200 K's that he produces and a 2 year guarantee. I would be surprised if we do deal Vazquez, but at this time of the year everyone is on the block.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 11:26 PM) Dealing Dye to the Giants for prospects would make the most sense. He's from the Bay area and the Giants could use a power corner outfielder. Actually keeping Dye makes more sense to me