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QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) No one is saying you cant disagree but every time Collins (or any other player we drafted) gets brought up, people have to chime in with, "we could've had this player I wanted." It gets pretty old. It will be the case until the White Sox prove it with their drafting and development. Sox said Collins was top player on their board. They'll have to own that then.

I'd really like a good Rodon game.

Here would be my dem platform. Higher Wages. Lower Costs. Then I would forcefeed a bunch of market based housing policy down the lefts throats.

Good news on Curbelo, but we've been remarking on how well Lenyn Sosa has played, any idea how that will impact him?

Good discussion in here. I am equally nervous about player dev. That's not to say Collins is written off to me, just that I've significantly lowered Collins down in my head. And that's a big shift. We've blamed for years the lack of farm output on drafting long-tail players like Mitchell/Hawkins/Walker that had poor hit grades and never improved. Well this was our draft of polished college hitters. Collins/Call/Fisher. All good OBP. Good college production. They've all stumbled at the first big challenge (I recognize it's sort of unfair for Call). I keep saying it, but I was reading the longenhagen bio of Jimenez, which talked about all the mechanical updates Jimenez made in the past two years to go from raw to possible 70 hit grade. I just don't know the last time I've ever read that about a sox player. And I don't know if Jimenez did it himself. If I recall, for years the sox philosophy was let them carry what got them there for as long as they could and then fix it when it's broken. Sure seems like that's the same. Still same guy at top (Bell). We've heard of all of the changes, but all of them were a bunch of essentially first year guys. Why would we take that risk before the rebuild? We couldn't hire some player dev guys out of Arizona that turned AJ Pollock and Peralta into above average offensive players? It just seems like for hitters we are relying on them to figure it out on their own. And I hope they can do it.

While it seems kind of light, hard not to trust Prellers judgment of the LatAm signees.

Anthony Coronado keeps hitting in DSL with nice power too.

Swarzak is incredibly versatile this year.

Interesting at bat to follow on game day. You don't see three pretty strikey strikes get looked at to lose the game lol

ooo boy. Think he lost his control.

Oof.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) So Davidson's homerun was an estimated 476 feet, which would be the 6th longest homerun of the season. And that was with the wind blowing in, that's crazy. I'm excited to check this out.

Question: better pitcher Leury Garcia or Tyler Clippard?

Did he hang that slider?

You guys think Swarzak is trying to stay low and away ?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 04:10 PM) Who would you guys say is the #3 option out of the pen right now after Swarzak and Jennings? I mean probably Infante

Man seems like Engel has put out like 50% of the people today.

MiGo carrying 93 mph into the 8th. Guess all those 4 inning games kept him fresh.

Whoa, game day just caught up, nvm.

So uh, can Swarzak just go 2?

Davidson has been fairly streaky so if he puts another strong one it makes him interesting. I really liked how well he hit when he was a DH, since some guys have been so "distracted" by it

*please don't hit a base hit with 2 strikes while choking up*

QUOTE (joejoedairy @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 03:33 PM) Engel Home Run Hey thanks!

Guys I'm doin it - been in a meeting, anything cool aside from the Moncada single in the 3rd?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 01:44 PM) You have also got to account for the fact that the era he played in was the 2nd worst era in all of baseball for hitting statistics, next to the dead ball era. You can't just throw out a .710 OPS and compare it to a .710 OPS today as if they were equal. Take Fox's MPV year. His .306 Batting average was 4th in the AL. His .770 OPS was 21st in the AL. .770 this year would rank you 48th in the AL. Discussions like this are exactly why comparing stats across eras is a really bad way to value players. Yeah, good point. I think the broader point could be made with a player like Tony Gwinn. Tony Gwynn was incredible. But would you rather try and scout to find the next Tony Gwynn, an incredibly rare player, or the next Trout? I'd try to find Trout, because what makes him incredible is he's like 5% better than the next best player at everything. But if you find a guy who is flawed in some area he could still be pretty good. Whereas if you are shooting for a bunch of tony gwynns, when their hit tool is likely less it may be a hardpressed MLB regular. That's what I'm taking away from this anyway. But I'll never specifically turn away a player with a skillset like that, any plus tool is worth investigating. Just not wanting to make a scouting philosophy of finding more players like that.