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QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 28, 2017 -> 07:28 AM) My main issue is, that most likely, Trubisky would have been there at #3. The 49ers didn't want to move too far down in the draft, so they wouldn't have traded down with just anyone; so why waste three picks on someone that you could have selected without having to do anything? Plus, Trubisky is not an immediate starter, so why be concerned if you are forced to shore up your porous secondary instead of him? Kizer is still out there and, honestly, he's not much different from Trubisky. I don't buy that Trubisky would be there at 3. But unfortunately for Pace, no team will claim to have wanted to move up to 2, 49ers will want to seem like the biggest geniuses possible, unless Mitch is real. Then it all won't matter.

The scariest thing to me is only if he succeeds. With this much invested he gets time. And the worst part about cutler trade wasn't losing 2 firsts etc, it was losing 7 years. That said Trubisky had the traits I favor most and when I heard the price I would have been much more pissed if it A) was not for a QB and B) was for watson.

I think Bears got played, but I like conviction. There's no sliding scale of qb value in first. They are either your guy or don't pick em. If this was their guy, it means everything. I'd rather have traded down but 3rd had no leverage. Winning that s***ty game vs 49ers cost us 3 players.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) With a $25 million offer, how high should the White Sox be willing to go? That sounds so much like agentspeak, especially with the "though its not quite offer time", some skepticism should be in order.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Why do I get the feeling the Bears shock the world and take Trubisky? Could be. Very strange that Mitch has said that he has and has not met with the Bears.

Well there goes my conservative estimates.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) CF job at the MLB level is pretty wide-open right now. Someone has to take advantage. Someone forgot Leury Garcia!

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) I posted yesterday that I didn't really see much in the peripherals to indicate a major change in approach or skill but I think the Fangraphs blurb was a little too negative. As you noted, he has made SOME improvements, including on important indicators like fly ball rate and outside zone swinging %. But the changes he's made will make him a 260/320/450 hitter, not a 290/350/530 hitter, or thereabouts. He is defending better as well, so if you take a merely mediocre RF and put it with a 770 OPS you have a 2ish war player instead of just replacement level dreck. I'd be happy with that. It means one less spot to fill on the next playoff team. You win with a lot of 2 win starters. Well put. He its the ball so hard that any % increase in LD% should correlate in some pretty nice production, but where it's at now does not indicate an all star.

There is a really fun heavy transition based team that is tucked into a sloppy, slow-paced garbage fest body, and it really just needs to get unlocked by the right guard. Playoff Rondo is the only one so far, and I guarantee grant, carter-williams and canaan ain't it.

Surprised there was no Matt Cooper.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) I am all for the advanced metrics but when you tell me a guy like Avi has been meh the past few weeks it totally confuses me and makes me question life itself. It's not saying he's been meh, it's asking whether he has started doing something substantially different to get this substantially different output, or if he is just on a hot streak. The above article was not "he's done nothing different", he is striking out less, hitting more elevated balls, and swinging out of the strike zone less. But not starkly different. 2017 Avi is likely going to be the best version yet, but still unclear if that means he is an established MLB starter.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 11:07 AM) I get it. hahahaha. omg so funny! It's not supposed to be funny, it's highlighting that the audience your describing doesn't exist. All the things you wrote seem like they are true, but they've seemed like they've been true before with Avi over certain stretches. It's not clear that he has actually turned a corner, and people being skeptical about it is warranted considering he was bad for his first 2.5 years as a big leaguer.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) Especially when someone has to trade into the top 5. Very expensive for teams. And all the stupid teams already did it in the past few years. Ugh.

Lotsa teams want to trade down. Not a lot want to trade up. Possibly nobody, aside from 1-2 pick swapping.

I missed the home run because I was in the middle of a post criticizing him, so glad that was cleared up.

Yeah sorry I said list but I meant don't copy paste the whole article.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) Would there be a melt down? I think Bears fans would be pumped after about 15 minutes of that setting in. Sure many fans would dig, but, just not the internet ones.

I hope they take Watson just to see the meltdown.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet Following More My understanding is the #Browns have contacted roughly 27 teams gauging interest in moving up or down. Contingencies upon contingencies. The Browns are scrambling all over the place almost certainly to ensure they screw this thing up. I'm sure I will be proven wrong, but I really like what they are trying to do. Time will tell if they were stupid on Wentz. But they have 2 first round picks in a deep draft, can easily spin that into quite a few as I imagine teams are much more likely to trade up in first than in this draft in the 2nd/3rd/4th.

Don't post the whole list, selected excerpts is okay.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 09:33 AM) What are the odds Myles Garrett falls to the Packers at pick 29? I think that is the one lock of the draft.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) Avi is hitting ball harder this year no? His home runs and doubles have been hit extremely well while in the past they all looked like cheapies Yes, just not at a significant increase over previous years.

Ready to rock.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Apr 27, 2017 -> 02:58 AM) Fangraphs ain't optimistic. Yeah, I went to go look at the % increase in hard hit, line drives per last year, etc. It's all 4-5%. That's not bad, over the course of the year you'd expect that to be a better and more powerful offensive player, but it's not a dramatic difference unfortunately, a lot of it looks similar to 2015. The only thing is he is doing this despite getting fed more sinkers and sliders, and still managing to improve his LD%. I don't know. There may still be something here, maybe he does get to an .800 OPS.

I like the theory right now that the 4-10 teams right now are all feigning interest in the QBs to force later teams to trade up, take a QB and push those teams preferred players one back.