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Removing support for Ukraine from their platform is insane and so blatant with Manafort being there. That is a scandal that would be covered if not for all the insane shenanigans going on.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) There are three untouchables in a full scale fire sale. Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer. Sale could bring back an unprecedented haul. Q should bring back something slightly less than the Shelby Miller debacle. Gonzalez and Shields could probably bring in some decent fliers. Abreu's name would probably carry some value. Frazier's average is low, but he's producing runs. Bring some value. Eaton should bring some good value back. Melky should bring a decent prospect in. Robertson/Duke/Jones/Jennings can all bring in a decent prospect. Lawrie might. Just know, everyone here will be in misery for at least 3 years, regardless of return. It's probably the wise move at this point but still. Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer (now in the rotation) and Saladino would be the only watchable parts of it. You'd have to hope that the 2016 draft class are all fast risers to minimize the misery. Re: misery. Honestly, it's less painful than now. Year 3 we will be getting antsy. But knowin gthere is a purpose goes a long way. 2013/2014 weren't that bad. I liked seeing the young talent play.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/a...in-nato/492332/ Honestly worried about how these signals are going to ripple across before the election even

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:49 AM) It isn't like the plan is to be awful for 5 years. I presume if they do this, they will be looking at either major league players today and / or guys at higher levels who can contribute near term. You could do this without moving some of your big pieces to ensure you can actually be good. Eaton is still around for a while as are others. This doesn't have to be a get rid of everyone and just entirely start over, in fact, I don't know if that is what I'd propose to do. You have to pick and choose and move guys who you think you get enough absolute value for to make it worth your while. If someone makes a strong offer for Eaton, great, but Eaton is really really good, so you don't just trade for the sake of trading and Eaton absolutely can be a cornerstone guy (it isn't easy to find guys like that). Unfortunately, the Sox haven't been able to develop the non-cornerstone people who can be quality, overall players. They have quite a few really really good players but also quite a few really really lousy players. Jason - Just from my point of view, I agree that we don't need to firesale ALL of our young talent, but I do think you market all of them and see if you get a great return for one. If you just trade the old vet on an expiring contract, you'll get some single-a lottery tickets. Trading 1 of our big pieces gives us a chance to really start building a wave of young talent to come up in 2 years. The crappy thing about 2013 is we really were at end of road with a lot of our talent. Peavy was an obvious piece to trade but was old and not an elite pitcher. We should have traded Alexei though I loved every game he played here. The phillies, meanwhile, damn near rebuilt their farm in one year with one trade.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 03:36 AM) All very vague stuff. Fact is this is about a .500 or slightly below roster in talent, it should be no surprise this is where we are right now. This is how I feel. We've relied on our players to be super human to succeed. Our bullpen has been relying on GB pitchers to succeed, and when they go through long patches, only our high k guys come through (predictably). Pitchingwise, I look at our staff and say wow but have only had 1 really sustained run in 2 years where all of them were on and we made a run. Cleveland seems to do it on the reg. We have a great staff but really for right now it's 2 deep reliably and 50/50 on the back. Offensively...when you look at our lineup hypothetically you say oh that could be good. But Then look at other playoff teams lineups. We don't compete. All this, and we cannot handle injuries as we have zero depth in AAA, and worse, we little non core pieces to trade and have a full budget.

I've kind of stated my preference that I'm not sure we need to do a full firesale. Right now, we aren' tmaking the playoffs with a closer. I do feel like best course is to, though, part with Q. Trading away Robertson/Melky/Duke may not net more than some high rated A players. We have some key talent looking to come up in 2018, and hopefully we can trust our talent identifiers and development to see our pitching talent fill in our rotation. But more, hopefully our latin am players buoy our system that by 2018 we can sell the farm for a player thats ACTUALLY going to put us over the top.

Was really happy for Scott, was rooting for him to get the MLB pension. Aside from this year, he maxed out himself for this org. Got the most out of his talent.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) Cano is about to treat Duke to lunch Oh good call

Nice Duke, way to keep your trade value high.

Also in bonifacio's short sample size he was horrible defensively and an idiot on the base paths. Saladino when he isn't hitting is still good everywhere else. But hey, keep up the bonifacio as a white sox fan club.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/07/20/whi...considerations/ Firesale.

The fans at winston salem deserve this fun.

I'd add Jennings too. MiGo is the guy you trade for a younger starter down on his luck that you think you can turn around to strike gold for.

Everyone of her robots makes me LOL.

If a troll tweets cuck, but there is no twitter, does it make a scream? edit: still the best

At least the second part lends to "Trump wouldn't be so bad" because, he's only interested in the celebrity of president.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) The perception in Chicago Sports Media (not the reality) is that the Cubs rebuilt their franchise on blowing everything up and building their minor league system. While a number of good Cubs players went through their minor league system and the Cubs appear to have drafted well, the Cubs FO found a great deal of success making moves that don't involve the farm system. I think that's disengenous to them. The demand on the sox that they begin competing very quickly into a rebuild forced them to be buyers in a lot of sellers markets, where they could have received surplus value for some pieces (as we saw in late fall of 2014). But yes, great, cubs didn't draft all of their players. Who cares. We know the narrative by now. You can't rebuild! The Royals were bad for a long time! The Pirates were bad for a while! Yeah they were bad because they had a terrible front office and plan, then they put in good people and are good. I expect the owner to demand good people to do good work as well.

This is fine: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine...p-news&_r=0

I've never seen this kind of pressure from Chicago media to sell off before

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago...os-notes-071916

wellp: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/20...-rnc-2016-trump Ole Donny Jr. may also not understand attribution. edit: LOL his ghostwriter copped his own line. classic.

That doesn't sound like that much.

Sooooo for all the bad things that the dems will have to say about Trump I'm going to guess nobody says he's allied with satan. But can't wait for more #bothsides.

Winston Salem seems to have hit a lot better last 2 weeks, Collins aside.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Are we living in a Twilight Zone episode? This same sentiment has been repeated year after year.....and we're in exactly the same position. So we'll be entering 2017 yet again having to fill offensive holes via trade and the scrap heap. It doesn't work out for us, and looking at our record since 2005 few ideas for roster construction have worked. You know the one idea we haven't tried? Selling players with high value! If Hahn fails at receiving high value, which many are afraid of, so be it. He'll be embarrassed, then fired and we'll start over. It's a risk I'd be willing to accept. Continuing on this course of mediocrity will not change our fortunes. And honestly, if the results of the tradeline thread is any indication, a large portion of the fanbase would support selling. Yeah I know....sample size, we're a passionate segment of the fanbase, but assuming the overall result holds true, I don't think many would be upset with selling players like Quintana, Sale if we received good value. Even if it meant conceeding on the season and perhaps the next A very very scientific espn1000 tweet on what the sox should do saw 80% say blow it up.