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There is such a huge gap of trust between Sox fans and this team now. It would definitely take a house cleaning to bridge this gap. Too inept, dumb, lazy, and arrogant.

It is real, was from a few weeks ago

Also kmet had a “breakout” game today…but every catch it seemed like he was near dropping it. That’s with him being wide open. They win the game in a fashion that sucks…since it’s impossible to believe Fields is gonna be a good qb. Hiwever, I agree with Tony. Damn am I glad the new regime didn’t stake everything on assuming fields was legit.

I get the anger at the runs…I do. But fields is clearly not playing even below average

We’ll it looks like I’ll be waiting a few more years for a franchise qb

Not really but I keep bringing up James Outman because in theory he shouldn’t cost much and he’s mostly blocked.

I like the Dana Brown pick. Braves are the org with the most similar set up to the Sox, but 100,0000000x the success

I know Cashman will be somewhat of a popular name, and I can see the benefit of a guy who knows a lot of people and what to do...but it also sorta feels like a john fox hire. I have no idea whether he was constrained by the constant push to build via top free agents, or if he was buoyed by their constant ability to buy top free agents. I think a lot of their stuff is good but he had uber resources and built a lot of weird rosters. But when it seemed like he really took the reigns he had that incredible 2016 shift on the fly.

To be quite honest, I think I make the team diet this offseason. It's not fun. but if I was new GM I'd go at the margins and tell the vets to prove it while bringing up hungrier, less lazy players. Nov 2022, soxtalk.com turns out to have some sugardaddy poster who secretly bought out all the other investors and gets us a seat at the table with JR. he doesn't want to sell for tax reasons, but he is fine giving more power to more interested, less fat and lazy people. Soxtalk hivemind elects their favorite admin as President of baseball ops. The one who made that spreadsheet. I focus this year on building out a betters scouting and development. I annoint ptatc as head trainer. @Quin leads media and marketing. @flavum gets chief meteorologist. Bye to everyone in front office except Thome, he's too excellent. Bossard stays. Bossards son gets promoted to AAA because he's nice. Bye to Abreu. C - Grandal, Zavala vs. Carlos Perez 1b - Vaughn v. Sheets 2b - Romy v. Sosa 3b - Moncada SS - TA v. Mendick LF - Eloy v. Pollock CF - Robert v. Cespedes RF - Colas v. Cespedes DH - Eloy v. Sheets SP - Cease, Lynn, Kopech, Fights - Davis Martin, Reynaldo Lopez Trade - Lucas Giolito for salary relief to LA Dodgers for James Outman and Jacob Amaya Bullpen - Graveman, Crochet, Bummer, Kelly, Diekman, Lambert, Ruiz Trade - Liam Hendriks to New York yankees for Gleybar Torres, Will Warren Pre-cuts estimated budget (153 million) Cleared ~$16 million in budget with Giolito, Hendriks FA targets: Chris Bassett, Jose Quintana (~$30MM) So it ends up: C - Grandal, Zavala vs. Carlos Perez 1b - Vaughn v. Sheets 2b - Romy v. Sosa v. Torres 3b - Moncada v. Torres SS - TA v. Mendick v. Amaya LF - Eloy v. Pollock v. Outman CF - Robert v. Cespedes RF - Colas v. Cespedes v. Outman DH - Eloy v. Sheets SP - Cease, Lynn, Kopech, Bassitt, Quintana Fights - Davis Martin, Reynaldo Lopez, Stiever, Burke BP - Graveman, Crochet, Bummer, Kelly, Lopez, Diekman, Lambert Also Rule 5 will be good huge fun.

maybe this will be like the 07 chicago bulls and we get the 1st overall pick and our D-rose. Perfect analogy.

I feel like it's even worse than that, it's when fans were losing their minds, they'd turn on the fans for being irrationally angry and not capable of seeing it objectively.

One thing I think is interesting seeing the Guardians v White Sox square off is to me it is the perfect example of the dangers of a front office that isn't natively progressive. You can see where the sox try to catch up, and catch trends, but it's always half assed. Out of the rebuild it seemed the sox started to focus on on getting more contact and cutting down on the strikeouts. The Astros had the quick post-16 pivot of moving from a high K team to a low K team. So you have the White Sox and the Guardians, both low power, high contact teams. I think they both have great pitching, my personal opinion, because the sox only rate as good pitching. My take is that defense is making an outsized issue there (but that is somewhat controlled in stats, and this is my opinion at that point) And its true the sox are slightly more productive than the Guardians offensively (but i'd say not commensurate to the talent). So anyway. My point is how they make contact is different. Sox just swing at everything and make a bunch of poor contact. The Guardians, while not great at walking, are much more selective at pitches. The Guardians have the lowest percentage of swinging strikes. The White sox are 11th highest. The guardians are second in called strike %. Meaning they actually take a lot of strikes. The sox are 24th. But cleveland is the top at Zone contact % and Chase contact %. They don't swing a lot, but when they swing, they make contact. They are swinging at stuff they like. The sox just swing a lot. They swing the second most at pitches outside the zone. 11th most at pitches inside the zone. They just swing at a lot. Cleveland has the lowest K-rate in the majors, and the best contact rate. The sox are the 7th lowest k-rate, and the 15th best contact rate. So, yeah, a lot of weak contact. A lot of not good contact. But then you add that the Guardians move makes sense when it's paired with good baserunning and defense. Cleveland has positive base running scores. The sox are not the worst actually, but are negative. They don't get additional value from just being on base. Cleveland is 4th best in defensive WAR. Sox 25th. So it all adds up to the contact approach works better with the team makeup of the Guardians. It's still not ideal. You'd prefer to be the Dodgers/Cardinals. But the sox this approach is what you get when you think "playoff teams went after more contact". They aren't smart enough to discern good contact. And worse, this team makeup with poor defense and baserunning would be best with a team that BLUDGEONS. Basically hahn is only capable of trying his best to implement trends of other, better orgs, and has to hope to get lucky that they work.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v-L_AWIcTXsM6LdFFzwS7dB30E3rS-WLeOe4anRs1MI/edit?usp=sharing

Pretty sure I still have it let me dig thru my google sheet hell

Yeah, I mean especially stuff like Ryan McGuffey now going off. That's cool, but you also were calling out fans for being too negative as they were bringing up the problems in real time.

Rick Hahn praying for a new variant so they’ll cancel Sox fest

Gonna be a big year for Karnisovic and Eversley. I have so little confidence in this team being worthwhile good and now, they also seem tapped out to get better. But, he came from the nuggets that also consistently seemed like they'd hit a ceiling and some other guy they drafted in the 2nd round or first would develop. That's what I'll at least wait and see on. If a guy like Ayo or Pat can actually be developed. If not...eesh. It really is annoying how terrible the bulls luck was in their tank years re: the draft. We really had an orlando run, and I supported (obviously) just kinda pivoting. But seeing how teams like Cleveland, Detroit were able to use their better luck to leap...man that Vuc deal, which probably allowed us to keep Lavine...killed us.

I mean, I definitely would have thought that a team with anderson, robert, moncada would have been hell on a team on the basepaths back in 2019. Instead they all look like Grandal. Watching the guardians the last two nights just eat us up...it's just like what the f*** is this team. How did they all become this mopey bullshit have to save myself for tomorrow b.s. every day. I love Abreu. I love TA. But if this is what the teams always look like under them as leaders...good riddance.

It is like absolutely wild when you think about the only outside hires in this org was Paddy. Getz sort of counts, with his 1 year in an asst role in KC, I guess. Virtually no one has been fired, all promoted into different assistant to the GM roles. Is there another franchise as insular as this?

For much of Hahn's tenure the sox could basically only focus on one thing at a time. I think after they drafted Vaughn they then went into major league talent mode and stopped paying attention to scouting and development. They went back to asking for only older intl prospects so they didn't have to listen to scouting reports on 16 year olds. They focused on crushing the FA market with Grandal, Keuchel and be set for a decade. I do think they were horrified in 2021 at how much it emptied out and Project Birmingham is them being at least interesting. But the point is that the Guardians don't ever stop trying to advance being better at every aspect of team building even if they can't always afford to keep the fruits of their labor. Also I advocated for trading for Kwan when it was thought that he may be a 40 man casualty this offseason. Shoulda listened to me I'm good. I also wanted a catcher/outfielder who was later cut and I don't htink is in baseball anymore.

They learned that the only top of market talent they could afford rested in C, DH, BP

It was mostly good, but I second what others have been saying that it's less detailed than many of what has been called out here. And the sentiment I have seen was that sox fans were never happy and whiners prior to this year. Hahn felt very entitled at Reggies to call out sox fans criticizing the move of a rebuilding team trading out Intl Bonus Money to shed a contract. Sure enough, the last two 'competitive' years under hahn we have had a severely depleted farm that lacked pieces to send out without completely emptying the farm. Seems related! This board's hivemind is sometimes wrong but also tends to learn faster and be right more often than the sox front office. Most of all, none of us ever want to stop improving the team in any area. The front office will take one step forward and pat themselves on the back for years until they are heckled into improving it again by the fans.

Nah, it’s just staffing issues.

Man I hate this team.

I hated that 2018 draft. I still thought it may have paid off and I thought this year the Royals would be better than the tigers. I am so far right, but, I thought htey'd be like 72-75 wins so I'm still dumb. Moore I think was too sentimental. But some new guy is gonna be happy as hell he has Pratto and Bobby Witt Jr.