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Honestly, nothing good will come of it. edit: one thing I hope he pushes, is to be cordial and push the point, that he may not agree with O'Reilley's views, but he can still enjoy him. Be friends with him. We need to stop this fake enemy crap. If you'll give CNN one thing, their commentators, repub and democrat seem to enjoy each other. It's taken the heat out of the emotions.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:57 PM) I just think US is bad because it literally sits in the checkout lanes at super markets and it draws a lot of attention from people that dont really follow politics. It just seems irresponsible to have a cover like this and the only coverage of Obama is "Why Barack loves Michelle." I understand that, but if we are to define on the outset what we are talking about in terms of media, I don't think any of us were going to put US weekly's and that ilk inside of it. Their specialty is stupid sex scandals and all that B.S. and it will feed into that garbage. It stands reiterating, any liberal on this site has seen the pregnancy "scandal" not in even questioning palin, but raising concerns on how much thought and research was put into McCain's decision.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 09:55 PM) Yep, about the same value, I think. That's why I do like the WSJ - GENERALLY - they report the news and you just decide (Fox cliche aside), although their board tends to lean to the right a bit. You know, as I've said before, some times newspapers get an unfair wrap because of their editorials. I read the WSJ, I just don't go to their editorials. Their bias is towards business reporting, and they are wonderful writers, but I don't find their political reporting particularly biased, and when I say this, I mean I don't think about it at all. Their writers are so good at making nuance simple, it bleeds from highly complicated business writings to political writings.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 08:19 PM) Iran ISNT a threat because of the geographic size of the land... GMAB

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) I don't know enough about his record in the Illinois senate to comment on it, but "bi-partisan" and Obama will never be confused with his record in the U.S. senate. that's why I posted my link.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:39 PM) No she doesn't. She would have until McCain died. Obama is the one who would have to learn it all right away if elected, with zero grace period. come on, the experience thing we are talking about with Palin are these national and international issues which she has given no comment on and we have no idea where she stands. She has to get all this down in a month. Whether or not you think OBama's experience isn't good enough to make decisions once in power, you know where he stands on these issues.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:33 PM) Not to totally derail the thread, but exactly what ARE RSO's accomplishments? here is a good article on him in state senate: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin

AP coverage of Kilpatrick, mentioning him as a democrat 3 paragraphs in: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMmCL2Z...E4b9NgD92VCJFG1 Governor's hearing to remove Detroit mayor begins messages between the Democratic mayor and his former top aide, Christine Beatty, on city-issued pagers. I deleted most of the text because the Ap is so strict about amount of words you can use without subscription and I don't want the site to get in trouble

Okay, I can't find mine, but this is an example of why I think local officials probably don't fall under AP style. http://archives.columbiamissourian.com/scr...82_2GF0SLF282.1 Down towards the bottom it mentions the St. Louis mayor, now when dealing with even state rep's, you see: "We thought that a number higher than 25 percent was good enough for them," said Rep. Judy Baker, D-Columbia, reflecting on the American presence in the Iraqi constitution writing process. "So why isn't it good enough for us?" Sen. Scott Rupp, R-St. Charles County - was appointed over two Republican women on the Appropriations Committee who had more seniority - Sen. Norma Champion, R-Springfield, and Sen. Luann Ridgeway, R-Smithville. It's automatic to identify them. This is AP style, not Missourian, although they might use parenthesis. As far as what happened with the McDonalds shooting. It was pretty interesting. I don't know how much you knew, but so the man was the other guys brother in law. Before the victim was shot, he was at the McDonalds to get his kids. He was in a custody battle with his ex-wife. His brother in law shows up, they get into an argument and his brother-in-law shoots him in the back, then calls the police and waits. These people were from a small town outside Columbia, and, not used to media coverage, their police were more than willing to give up divorce documents. They accused the victim of violence against his wife and threats against the children. In the end, I believe he was charged with murder one, because of premeditation, and then manslaughter and 2nd degree murder. I'm not sure what he's been pinned down on. If you want an interesting story check out Ryan Ferguson's case. It's gotten national coverage because they pinned down a murder case on one other kid because of a dream confession by another. It was surreal. Appeal happend so I should probably check up on that.

I'm looking for my AP style guide, it's not electronic, and that's the hold up.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:08 PM) NO ONE has questioned Barack Obama about leaving two young children at home for extended periods of time. Why is it assumed that the wife has to raise the kids? For real this is an odd assertion, but on the otherhand it's coming from women that's she's trying to court.

and what of the post before Alpha Dog?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:03 PM) Most people west of New York? Oh bollocks. Everyone in this forum knows he was a democrat, everyone in this forum is west of new york. The TV, newspaper, radio media all was covering him and all knew about them being democrat. what makes it more relevant when they are republicans with gay sex scandals is that often times they were opponents of gay rights bills. And that's funny. You have to admit.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 07:02 PM) No way. Obama's race is predicated on the illusion that a McCain regime would be a third term of Bush/Cheney, and bringing in one of Bush's top people would've completely validated that criticism. McCain needed to reach as far away from Bush as he could. It's sad because, under different circumstances, I agree that Condi would've been an excellent choice. McCain also needed somebody who isn't a multi-millionaire, which is most likely why Romney didn't get the nod. As for Palin undercutting McCain's "experience" argument, I think that much of that argument died when Obama chose Biden. And it didn't work very well for Hillary, either. McCain will go after Obama on accomplishments, judgement, and his liberal voting record. Even at the convention they are still hitting his experience though. BUt I agree, I'm still shocked he didn't pick Pawlenty though. He's not connected to Bush and is very popular in a democratic state, a state that McCain is pushing towards tossup (no way in hell though)

Set looks good tonight.

and for real who the hell didn't know mcgreevey was a democrat?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 06:33 PM) OK, it's not AP, but let's go with the NY Times. When talking about former govenor George Ryan, it takes 4 paragraphs to mention he was a Republican governor. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08ryan.html But when talking about current mayor Kwame kilpatrick, the mention it as a 1 line sentance, 3rd to last paragraph. If you are in journalism, you know that most people don't always finish stories, which is why important facts are mentioned early in the story http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/03det...&ei=5087%0A Spokane mayor is sex scandal! First sentance names him as a Republican http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/223201_west06.html AP story about McGreevy, a pretty sorid affair itself, not one mention that he wears a D. Not even a throway line at the end. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/08/...in4333300.shtml Laziness, agenda, both? In the last post about this I linked to 2 stories by the same writer, one about a D and one about an R. Guess where the R was mentioned? I am sure this isn't 'official', but it doesn't mention anything about political designations and how to do them. http://www.scribd.com/doc/2664713/Associat...uide-the-basics Okay. now here's the thing alpha. For one, this would've worked if you used one source (NYTimes), but you spread it out over 4 sources. And the one source with two entries, you mirrored my exact point, state v. local. Individual papers have their own individual styles. Perhaps in Detroit where the city is bigger and more aware of parties for local gov'ts, their paper would acknowledge these attributes. For instance, here's how the seattle times: When a married politician resigns after allegations that he had sex with a young man in an out-of-town hotel room — particularly when he tips off the cops himself — the obvious question is: "What was he thinking?" In the case of state Rep. Richard Curtis, a 48-year-old Republican from La Center, Clark County, no one knows — yet. Curtis, who resigned Wednesday, has declined to elaborate, on the advice of his lawyer. But because cases like his are becoming so familiar, experts in politics, risk-taking behavior and psychology have plenty to say. They recall the indiscretions of former President Bill "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton; former New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevey, who announced on live television in 2004 that he was a "gay American"; and the late Spokane Mayor Jim West, who last year was ousted from office after a scandal involving alleged gay sex. Congressman almost always are identified right after, then the author gives out three examples, two democrats and the spokane mayor, without mentioning parties. Now what's further, with this Jim West character, don't you think it is part of the story that he ROUTINELY voted against gay rights bills yet was in homosexual activity? Don't you think that is part of the story? And further, lets look at the liberal new york times on mcgreevey "Gov. James E. McGreevey of New Jersey disclosed on Thursday that he was gay and had had an affair with another man, and announced that he would resign on Nov. 15, more than a year before his term would have expired. In a somber and unexpected announcement, while his wife and parents stood with him, the governor said his decision to step down from office was prompted by the conclusion that the circumstances surrounding the affair would impair his ability to govern. Aides to the governor, a Democrat, said the affair was with a former aide, Golan Cipel, who was hired by the governor in 2002 as an adviser to the state Office of Homeland Security. He resigned eight months later as a special adviser to the governor, at a salary of $110,000. The aides said Mr. Cipel had threatened to file a lawsuit accusing the governor of sexual harassment." and you are right, that wasn't official.

I'd also argue about whether Diddy has fans beyond those trying to become his assistant.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 05:00 PM) Two things: Pawlenty has something in his backgound that was going to get hammered, even worse then what we're seeing now. . telecomm stuff?

Honestly, if he picked pawlenty he'd be having a much better convention. With Gustav clearing it would all have been been about the republicans right now. The media would still be talking about the successful economy up in Minnesota, the media had already largely vetted Pawlenty themselves. Instead, they bombed the media with a new governor from a state that has NOOOOOthing close to a media outlet that anyone pays attention to. And they are surprised the media is doing hardcore digging? They can't have been this blind, unless they hope this gender card they are playing is going to work.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 02:34 PM) Well said. however, even in the newspapers, is it laziness or willing deceit that they forget to mention that Kwame Kilpatrick is a Democrat but blare in the first sentance that Larry Craig is a Republican. And yes, I know one is a Senator and one is a mayor, but there isn't an official style sheet that says only list party designations if it is a Senator or US Rep. Some reporters truncate quotes, or use the infamous 'some say' to bring up a point that they thinke needs mentioning. Some are lazy, some have agendas, some have favorites that color their writing styles, some ask softball questions to people they like, some are just plain idiots. I disagree with you, there is an official style sheet for the AP. I don't think I've ever put affiliation for local politics. State level, yes. But local, even if they affiliate themselves to a party sometimes it's meaningless. Obviously for detroit it is something, but at the local level I've never seen us put party affiliation. I've never seen it on articles of Guiliani or Daley either.

more than that, Edwards then was a former senator, former presidential candidate when the story finally came to light. Right now there is a huge election going on, situation in Georgia, situation in Afghanistan and Iraq, how reluctant would you be as an editor to waste precious resources on a sex scandal reported by the enquirer?

get ready for tomorrows washpost from what I hear.

Jimbos, GO TO THE GAZEBO RESTAURANT AND GET MACADAMIA NUT PANCAKES

QUOTE (BearSox @ Sep 3, 2008 -> 05:34 AM) his fans? no.