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Ethics reform typically isn't a party line. But anyways I've said this before, why the hell would you want to follow the Bush party line. That would show poor judgment, which is worse. He has gotten help from Republicans to push sensible policies, that fits reaching across party lines by any definition. Find me a time where McCain hasn't acted in his own popular self interest? The Surge? please, that wasn't ever going to hurt him. That goes for Palin too, if she wasn't a reformer in the Republican party she wouldn't have existed. Now she's in a scandal herself.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 06:29 PM) you can start with "All Kids Covered" here in Illinois. I believe he played an important role in that, but I may be mistaken. You can also google search the Lugar-Obama bill and the Coburn-Obama transparency bill. I have some links if you want them.

Obama and Biden only have no record of reaching across party lines if you choose to ignore the record of doing such.

maybe I'm thinking of kap articles.

Border state LOL, are they facing the mass influx of Canadians into Alaska? Are the Ruskies taking canoes into Juneau? What gun issues do they have other than they are pro-gun? Oil and environment I'll give you, but blue collar workers, meh. It's such a small state and this isn't the Ohio's and Michigan's in terms of heavy press on their blue collar workers.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 06:07 PM) because no ones ever hear do of her before. AHB can you embed the news report on TPM with Palin now?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 02:15 PM) http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/nav...=rss_topstories ss, that was a great commentary. I wish you posted more of that and less of some of the other stuff

no it isn't irrelevant. Frankly I'm not impressed by being governor of Alaska for 1.5 years and already getting caught in a scandal. Alaska has 2/3 of a million people. That's it. They are a sparsely populated area. They have like none of the problems most states have. They have a weak state government with not much to do. Does anyone know what Alaska's state legislature is like? Is it like Georgia and she can do whatever she wants, or are they powerful and give her a semblence of what it would be like to work with a powerful legislative body? Before that she was a mayor of a town of 5,000 people. Safetytown's have more people than that. Say you want about Obama, but working in the U.S. legislative body gives lots of experience. LBJ's knowledge of the congress was instrumental in him pushing through all of his initiatives. This whole "executive" experience thing is a fairly new phenomenon, although not that senate has ever been a popular jumpoff to pres, we've had great presidents that were senators. Frankly, being a U.S. senator is far better experience in running this country than mayor of Alaska or Rhode Island. Her education, poor. She has a undergrad degree in journalism. Obama has a law degree from harvard and served as the law reviews president. She has a freaking journalism degree from IDAHO! IDAHO! Please don't act like there are no discrepencies between these two's experience.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) How many electroral votes do they have? Can't be more than 3. It could happen, but I doubt the difference in the election is within 6 electoral votes. as much as people talk about FLA, it was Gore's loss in RI in 2000 that could've won him the election.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) Some of the same people here who laughed at the concerns over the lack of experience for Obama, are the same one hammering it home here. How can it be worse to be #2 and inexperienced, versus #1 and inexperienced??? Anyways, with the amount of advisors and cabinets and the like, experience is pretty overrated anymore. In this day and age, the President is pretty much a figurehead anyway. When the #1 is a soon-to-be-73 year old, cancer survivor with a medical history like 600 pages long for the last 10 years. Nonetheless, I find her much less experienced than Obama. She wasn't governor of Texas, she was governor for 1 and a 1/2 years of a tiny state in terms of population facing few of the problems that larger states face because of their population. Before that she was mayor of a relatively small town.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:19 PM) I'm sure it took less than a month for someone to explain it to her. seriously, takes about ten minutes.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:13 PM) Quit with the damn thank yous. Obama did the same thing yesterday. Tell your supporters to shut the hell up. Haha, I felt the same way, I like the way Clinton handled it. "EVERYBODY SIT DOWN!" haha

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:10 PM) I think Gates is awesome, and reading history books lately has reinforced that belief. Infinitely better than the cranky old arrogant bastard he replaced. I don't even mind if Gates stays on for Obama, and from what I hear he'd be game for that too. Apparently back before Clinton took over he reauditioned.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) The selection of Governor Palin will likely make Hil rabid. Attack dog II will be fired up, ready to go You know once I got re-introduced to Biden I realized why he was such a great pick. I, like many others, hate hate hate that bankruptcy bill. However, as a VP, he's a great speaker, he's relateable, he has a great story, and can attack the republicans on foreign policy. Palin is from Alaska, a state even more whacked out in its politics than Texas, HUGE ties to Oil companies and she has a miny scandal going on. People are going to say "she's one McCain heart failure from president for being governor for two years of a state with like 10 people in it?" Really poor choice.

considering Bush's cabinet was one of the worst parts about him, I agree the cabinet is very important. Why I'm not worried about Obama's cabinet? He's surrounded himself with a hell of a campaign staff and picked a great VP, and frankly the Democrats have more exciting good names out there to choose from than McCain does. Who'll be in his cabinet? More Bush people? I wouldn't mind if Gates stayed but please no more of this crap. No more Mukasey.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:02 PM) Funny Digg Title: McCain's VP: Strong in the war on... polar bears Colbert will be in love with her.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 02:52 PM) Palin Comes With Prepackaged Scandal I will say this. I read up on this a lot, and at the very least this guy deserved to get fired anyways. But if she did step in to push his firing that is not what I would want in the White house considering this U.S. attorney scandal. Too much of that B.S. the past 8 years.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:49 AM) I thought Obama went slightly over the top with his "doom and gloom" portrayal of the nation right now. However, it was better for him to be a bit too hardcore than a bit too soft, and that is why I expect him to get a big bounce from this speech. Do you know what attracts me to Obama and why I like him so much? It wasn't his line antagonizing McCain that he was ready to debate, it was his line about how politics don't make the man. Politics have gotten way too personal the past 8 years, with Rove marginalizing half of this country as unpatriotic. But the truth is I enjoy every poster on this board, alpha dog, mr genius, kap, so what if we disagree. There has been way too much emphasis that if you are x then you are unpatriotic or you are a fascist when that is not how we live. I'm hopeful in x years we can move to a much more central ground of understanding.

I love that poster. Aesthetically cool.

what is this poster?

That speech was everything he needed.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 02:09 AM) Written by professional speech writers. well, yeah. here we go.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 01:56 AM) Dick Durbin on to introduce Barack. Obama on soon. Should be interesting. Anyone catch Richardson? I missed it. You missed my favorite line yet. "While John McCain is spending hundreds of dollars on shoes, we can't afford to pay for his flip flops"

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 02:43 AM) Barney Smith with a great line. it worked so well because he was so intense and nervous-looking, then he unleashes this great line and it was just super effective. Shame the networks didn't cover it.

I liked all the common people's speeches. They were funny.