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QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 05:53 PM) This depends on what group you're talking about though. The word "lazy" probably refers to banking on irrelevant details like national polls and overanalyzing them instead of going after what actually matters, or doing things like parroting Hillary's stupid "popular vote" arguments and giving them unnecessary credibility. I think coverage like that is on the editors. I wouldn't have guessed that so long ago, but these stories continue to get front page, so its the editors that like it. s*** must sell. Grosses me out. did you hear they are changing the format of the Chicago Tribune to be more tabloid-y? Hurray!

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 05:29 PM) Right, because Obama doesn't have ANY oil lobby money ANYWHERE tied in to his campaign. (and it's not something any of us could figure out really easily, but I'm sure it's there somewhere). I'm sure it is too. And if it turns out Obama got a flood of money from people tied to oil right before he said he'd reconsider off-shore drilling, I'll say High Five kap. But what I mentioned has nothing to do with Obama. And, to save your time, I'll just write your responses to everything I say right after my posts. I have "Right because OBama doesn't" saved to my paste board and I'll just fill in the rest.

QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) I believe the BBC calls their TV reporters "presenters" because all they do is present the news. But then again, what they do isn't "lazy" because they're working twelve hours a day at the station. "Journalists," however, are not "lazy" by any stretch. Some are, the ones who re-write press releases are. I hate them. Or the ones that just cover that a politician released a press release without critically analyzing it. But yes, working at a newspaper from 9-9 calling every possible person that might be remotely connected is fun but draining. And for low money, or in my case, to pay to do that.

I f'n love TPM. They are so self-aware of their own coverage. They seem to be able to critically look at their coverage and they adjust very quickly. That, and they know they are speaking to a pretty politically literate audience, and will release entire documents to us and let us catch things they might have missed. They see incomplete stories and complete them. They are wonderful examples of how impactful blogs can be.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) Personality journalists. Basically, they are the root, stem, and leaf of why everybody is so cynical about the media anymore. but some anchors call themselves journalists when really they just re-write stories from newspapers. There are TV Journalists, Carol Marin still has admiration from me. Great piece on Blago last night from her.

below is whining: I can't believe that in a game where we take back first place in a 14 inning walk off come from behind home run is so far back in sportscenter's episode. i'm crying.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 03:06 PM) Lol... is Obama taking the "high road" everytime he brings race into it? It seems like he is saying McCain, or any republican who isn't black, is going to attack Obama for his race, but I haven't seen that. Oh, and how come nobody mentions the Obama attack adds. Apparently McCain is in the pocket of big oil now! certainly doesn't look favorable when you reverse your position on off-shore drilling a few days after over $100,000 gets donated to your campaign by the Hess family.

Family, I have a great gift for you today. I've written you all a check for 22,500 dollars. Consequently, if you all don't donate 22,500 to McCain's campaign I'll switch you. I love you, family.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 09:53 PM) Because the standard canned answer, much like the beginning of this thread, and the discourse it's taken, is total cynicism when it comes to what the Bush administration did or did not do. It's posted here all the time and it gets just plain old. Alpha is making my point much better then I did. All we see from most liberal folks is that Bush did everything he could to lie, manufacture, kill, torture, maim, rape, and totally screw over everyone and everything related to the Iraq war and the presentation of it to the American people. Hence, it's all a "CONSPIRACY" comment I made earlier, and the digging of rubbish to pile on top of GWB. (That's a conspiracy too, evidently). Journalists are a lazy bunch (in general - sometimes you have exceptions). They want to hit the limelight on very little corroborating evidence. But in the end, people believe what they WANT to believe anyway... and with the political drones we seem to have in this country now, it's sad. Wow. A bunch of conspiracy theorists who believe bi-partisan congressional reports about the lead-up to this war. There's no saving the failure of an administration this was, no matter how many names you call the other side. So funny your diagnosis of others.

I hate how polls are covered in the newspaper like this is a football game.

Kap, here's the thing. I compared them to nobody. I didn't bring back say anything that you said. I said that these were three very large examples the large TV media outlets have given no coverage of. So why is that the response?

BARACK QUIT BEING SO UPPITY

people have been digging and critical of BushCo? Could've fooled me, two gigantic reports saying they politicized the DoJ illegally and that we were lied into the war AND used a legal opinion by a college professor to use torture from the highest ranks (not a few bad apples as was reported), and yet, NONE of those was covered for very long at all. The DoJ scandal has had next to traction, the definitive report on the moments preceding the Iraq war wasn't even in the nightly news, and the torture part of this has been left to blogs and Vanity Fair. So no, I'm not surprised by this. BushCo has gotten out of everything with claiming exec. privilege, deny deny deny and I don't recall!?!?

QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 06:32 AM) Thx. Last night, I flick the TV on and these guys were on Carson Daly's show. I guess it's proof positive that they suck. haha, I hate that song so much. Reminds me of fort minor/suburban rap.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 04:48 AM) BP seems like it's pretty big on alternative energy though. Which makes me (as a stockholder to boot) feel better. did you feel great about them last summer?

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 03:40 AM) same could be said of Obama, or really any candidate for that matter. in a vague sense, but anyone who followed paul somewhat closely understood the truth to the statement. His policies were archaic, something Zachary Taylor would unravel.

I forgot what his site is but if you just google his name his mixtape is free on his site.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2008 -> 08:42 PM) (although, if enough bridges collapse, that is one way of cutting oil consumption).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 01:37 AM) Yet how many people voted for someone else for those very reasons? How many people dismissed Ron Paul because of his supporters being nuts. Is it right, not really. It it a fact of life? It sure is. His supporters mirrored the candidate. I give plenty of reasons for people to vote for Obama when I work for him, but frankly when I come into the filibuster I come to shoot the s*** on politics with people who are reading about the election as much as I am. Those people probably have their beliefs and knowledge all layed out. How many casual politic followers venture in here? i see the same names every day.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 11:35 PM) How was this? Pretty awesome. We went to the friday show not the sat. show which was probably longer and more crowded. This was another lolla after party and sparsely crowded, my brother said it was a place pretty far (Ukranian Village). This first act went on, Calico or something, and he was awful. He was trying hard enough, he was just terrible. Once Mike Terror went on it got better. He's pretty good, I was gonna go look for his myspace, apparantly he has a remix of MIA's "come around". Holt was awesome. He's so energetic and Mano's beats are perfectly complementary to Holt's voice and stage presence. I really want to catch him again. It made me put on Holt's mixtape and discover the last half of the disc which is SO much better IMO than the first.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 06:04 PM) I'm not speaking about myself. But people here have actually posted that they like Obama less because of the fringe, overzealous supporters. If someone is willing to change their vote for the most important position in our country because of a poster on a baseball message board...

saw hollywood holt, Mano, GLC and Mike terror on friday Saw Radiohead and Grizzly Bear last night. Both were excellent. I hadn't a preview of what radiohead's set was going to look like. Very cool. They didn't play long enough for me though. Neither did Holt, now that I think about it.

I feel pretty helpless to the awfulness of this presidency. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8...1828469,00.html

this is awesome.

so danks is having a good game then.