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Longenhagen is better on podcasts/audio, really don't like his chats. He jokes a lot about how people think he is mean on chats, but has also leaned even more that way and is so terse it seems like there's no point in reading it.

Heywards only $15million/WAR, so he would help. And my numbers with hahn aren't cherry picking like this. I could remove like half the WAR with no money in Zach Putnam and Swarzak and it would nearly double his $/WAR.

That was 8 years ago.

I think we'll find out hopefully this summer. I hope they start him at SS.

So a collection of Theo's worst signings came out to a 17 mill/War, $4 million per WAR less than a collection of all of Hahns signings minus Abreu. That tells me a lot.

I hope the next time frare comes up they trust him with more than lefties so we can see if he can be an actual piece.

When they lead to world series victories? A lot. You seem to be capable of a lot of cognitive dissonance that actually all of hahns worst moves are okay, and moves that led to a world series were in fact bad.

And don't get me wrong, is this a big screw up by the sox? No. But is it incredibly annoying that during a time that they have space and time to allow marginal prospects to work at the big league level and see what they have, that they missed out on a cheap and ready bullpen arm (when that has been a focus of their rebuild)? YES! Yes it is annoying. This isn't Chris Devenski blooming years after being traded into a very weird and useful bullpen arm. This guy was apparently ready to go and cheap and better than, uh, rob scahill.

I am not stuck in revisionist history. You are asking who they should have protected. I'm saying last year, when they had plenty of space to try out players, they prioritized a set of players based on their analysis. The mariners own scouting clearly identified a player of ours that could get players out immediately (rule 5 pick), it looks like they were right. This was a problem of putting a whole bunch of resources in college/minor league relievers. THey are a group likely to be poached in rule 5, so we have to protect way more than we should and see pretty immediately whether they can hack it. Early returns aren't looking great!

He absolutely is +++ at trading. Over a four year period he acquired an all star first baseman, a cy young pitcher, a pitcher that finished third in cy young voting, a starting shortstop, a starting center fielder with a .350 obp, and a dominant closer they rode to a world series. That's production and a run few can match. Acquiring three elite players in trades is incredibly hard to do. As much as I love stearns, you could only really say he has acquired one through trades.

Thyago may have thrown 100, but his stuff was not filthy. He was 95-96 last year and was straight as an arrow when it could be made. The sox gave a lot of auditions last year and didn't give it to this guy, and he's having immediate success. This is their job. You may think it's unfair, but a lot of other teams are consistently finding players that can produce to some point in the major league level, players available to the sox, and the guys they keep acquiring aren't doing that. That's a problem when we are in talent acquisition mode! They aren't operating in vacuum. They are competing with other teams, and its fair to ask why they can't do things as well as others even if it wasn't obvious to a guy who doesn't have a full time job that brandon brennans changeup could get players out better than vieiras awful time in the major league bullpen last year.

This isn't my job to do. How many relievers did we use last year? That is the white sox job.

I'm frustrated that with all of the auditions of bullpen pitchers they have given in the last year, they apparently could not fix and identify a guy having immediate success (something that has alluded all of the guys they've spent resources to acquire). If the sox were competitive now and let a guy like this go, no big deal, it happens, there's no room (yankees). But the white sox entire mode right now should be finding guys like this. The mariners signed him as a minor league free agent, and apparently liked him enough that he had a shot to even make opening day, so clearly scouts that are paid for this had something on him, meanwhile...thyago vieira.

Anyway is there any specific team people would want me to do this exercise for that they think would be comparable to sox? There will likely be a front office schism but i'll still do it since 2013.

Also mookie betts was Ben Cherington.

You can be worse at drafting when you are ++ at other talent acquisition modes like international free agency and trades. Hendricks was a great trade. Arrietta was a great trade. Regardless of whether he drafted any stars outside Bryant they are still getting mlb production and depth out of them, and they found two other likely stars in international in eloy and torres.

He was a 4th round draft pick in 2012, just one of those guys that hangs around in bullpen but had a good year in birmingham and pitched just a bit in AAA. Was out of options and I'm pretty sure he was just lost as a minor league free agent to Seattle this summer. And he made the team out of camp and has a .7 WAR after half a month.

These actually annoy me the most because I don't expect anyone on this forum to have been like "oh crap sox shouldn't have let brandon brennan go", but the sox have put a crap ton of resources into bullpen scouting, acquisition and I would suppose development. And gave a bunch of pitchers tryouts. They should have known what they had.

It's where you have to look over at the dodgers to compare. No, Friedman has not gotten himself into the same jams Theo has. He also hasn't won a world series with similar resources. Sometimes it's worth the trouble.

Yeah not gonna lie I'm extremely frustrated by his early success.

Yeah. I will go to bat a little for Theo. His record in boston and cubs shows that he can get into FA trouble. However, where he gets into trouble is when he's trying to squeeze additional wins at the margin of an already great team, and overpays trying to go from 92 wins to 94 or in theory NLCS to WS. He overpays to make sure that spot that's kinda weak becomes strong. But, he still will have built a core of great players, and the frustration is tying up the org from finding the next upgrade. I'm fine with a GM failing worst there, as I want to be at the point where we are throwing resources at getting over the top of the next best team, isntead of trying to buoy ourselves up to be close to the competitive teams.

I don’t know how to rip it, but Roberts Instagram story has the best view of the home run. Holy crap where that hit!

That’s fair and I’m someone who thought he should start in Birmingham, it’s more I find it annoying anytime someone had a good game that they should be moved up.

Hahahahahaha he destroyed this pitcher he needs to retire now

Luis Robert’s Instagram had his jersey saying “Roberts 21”. Have we all gotten his last name wrong again or did W-S?