Rowand44

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 12:28 PM) The Twins pen helped them get 3 consecutive division titles and the Indians pen helped get them close (had it not stunk right at the beginning of the season theyd' have been in better shape). I'm not sure I see why your so down on the pen right now. We have 4 very talented guys in there right now if you include Brandon, one who can be very solid if healthy, and imo a prospect that is a perfect fit for the pen in Tracey. I would like to see Kenny add another reliever or two if possible but our pen certainly isnt in bad shape imo.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:53 AM) Well then you are just as greedy. Same goes for Rowand44. I understand what you guys are saying but can't players just be humble for a minute? And I do agree, it is a 2-way street but it doesn't eliminate the fact that athletes are way overpaid. Do you go to Sox games SF1?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) BS...the organization is the one paying the millions for his ass to play and have a nice lifestlye, not the other way around. Did Jon Garland not help this organization make millions last year? If we dont have Jon Garland last year are we winning the world series?? Anyway you look at this, it's a two way street. Your basis of argument here seems to be that you believe athletes are paid to much, well that's fine and dandy but that's the way it is so get used to it.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) This is not the case. We cant assume that. But if this was the case, I tell him to stop joking around. He's already made enough money of my ass. I'm sure he can "survive" with what he's made already. See: Frank Thomas So in other words, players need to stay loyal to the organization but the organization doesn't need to stay loyal to the player. Ok..ya.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) God damn are athletes spoiled. No loyalty. People are out there making 20 grand a year trying to pay for a family of 5 while these 20 year old are out there making millions and crying for more. f*** Jon Garland. f*** Latrell Spreewell. f*** Joe Crede. God damn greedy bastards. All these athletes piss me off. Why don't they want to play in the olympics? Why dont they want to play in the World Championships? Because they don't get payed for it. Come back to the real world you greedy bastards. What some players make in 1 inning, my mom makes in 1 year. :headshake Let me ask you something: If Garland was 38 years old, and was putting up an era around 5, he then asks the Sox to pay him 8 mill a year because he's been loyal to the organization. You would want the Sox to do what? EDIT: And if you feel this way stop watching sports. Athletes make a lot of money and you've known that forever so just deal with it.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) I was kidding, really. These guys can leave if they want. The team will survive without them. Sorry about that then, all the clever nicknames around here get on my nerves.

QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) So AJ siging a 3yr $15 million contract to stay with the Sox is not loyalty, when Ramon Hernandez signs a $27.5 million, four-year contract? Chipper Jones restructured his contract to lower his salary. It happens all the time. There is always someone to blame. It doesn't just happen and both sides wake up and go "Oh darn we are really in a difficult situation". Jon has always made comments on how he would like to pitch on the left coast, closer to home. He just never had the leverage to do anything about it because he was not a hot commodity. The Sox stayed with him for all those 12-12 years with 4.50 ERA's. What do they get in return? This situation. So I have to put the blame in Jon's court. I understand he is due a fair contract, but he can easily be a one year wonder since that is all he has done in his career. Ok...let me rephrase that: When a young pitcher is entering his prime after coming off an 18 win season, he's just not going to sign an extension out of loyalty. Likewise, a team isn't going to re-sign a 37 year old dh out of loyalty, it's just bad business. You're right though, there are players who will stay loyal to a team but not in this situation is what I'm trying to say.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:20 AM) Thanks for the WS, Jon. Now, see you in Hell. Joe Crede's new nickname, if this is to be believed, can be Joe Greedy. Oh, horray, he graduated from Cruddy and Crediocre. :rolly

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) So then what was that display that PK showed??? That he wanted to stay here. This was the place he wanted to be, Jon obviously wants to be on the west coast with his family. When the difference in money is 5 mill then there is a good shot the player will just choose to play where he wants to be and not just follow the money. Now, Jon wants to play on the west coast and he can make atleast an extra 25 mill in free agency, from his perspective why would he sign an extension right now?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:16 AM) Loyalty and comarodory must not mean much to Jon. Those things don't exist in baseball anymore, period. You can't blame either side for what they want and have to do in this situation.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) Here are mine: Garland will be traded to a west coast team by late January, after all the free agent pitching is settled. That would be my guess as well.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:57 AM) I told him.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:53 AM) See you amatuers don't realize if you delete or merge the thread right away, they just post another one. The key is to give them a second to see this, and then merge away. And you want to be my latex salesman :headshake Blah, blah, blah. Excuses for everything. :headshake

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) TRY HERE INSTEAD Can you change the title or get rid of this thread all together? Damn, admins do nothing around here.

This thread title is very misleading and this is already being talked about in Sox Trade Winds.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:37 AM) So the Rays just got Burroughs for absolutely nothing? Interesting. The Padres would want to be rid of Burroughs that badly? They re-signed Brazelton.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:19 AM) Their past is part of who they are. And where they are going. If you were going to ask me, which pitcher has the most legitimate chance of turning it around and repeating this years performance, I would have to pick the most consistent player, and younger one in Jon. As far as moving forward, I dont know how you cant pick Mark as our best pitcher when he finished this year in the top ten in wins, ERA, WPCT, IP, WHIP, and CG. Mark has been our best pitcher, there is no doubt about that but imo Jose will be our best next season. I believe for the next 2-3 years JC will be one of the top 5 pitchers in this league. Obviously the only thing we can do is wait and see, so I'll just leave it at that.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:14 AM) You cant put contreras as the best pitcher on the team at this point. He had a great second half, and a good postseason. But He has posted and ERA of over 5 in 2 of his 4 full seasons in the MLB. Jon hasnt posted a single season above 5 when he pitched full time. I thought we were talking about where you would put our starters going into next year? IMO, Jose will be our best starting pitcher, if we were talking about the past then Jon isn't even close to Freddy.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:10 AM) you should look into an ozzie package...11 games or whatever. The sooner you get tix, the better. 13 games, hence Ozzie package.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:08 AM) No way!!!! Garland had the 2nd best second half on the team Contreras is the best pitcher on the team imo, while Mark is 2nd. You can definitely make the argument for Jon over Freddy but Freddy has been a consistant number 2 starter his whole career while Jon has had the one year. I still think Jon is going to be very solid so don't get me wrong but for the next year or two I think Freddy will be the better pitcher.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jon had 18 wins, and pretty much helped carry us the entire first half, and in the playoffs was a dominant force especially in the ALCS. You are on crack my friend if you would take a Rookie over Jon. The count is maybe close. Jon dominated one game in the alcs and had a meh game in the series. I still think of Jon as our 4th starter right now behind Count, Mark, and Freddy but I do agree that you can't put Brandon ahead of him yet though I do think he'll be better then Garland eventually.

Just a dumb question for the holidays. What kind of ornaments do you guys have on your tree that you really like? For me, I got 4 Sox ones, 2 bulls, and a Marino ornament, those are my favorites, all sports of course. Any special ones that you guys like putting on the tree?

QUOTE(Konerko4mvp @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) so on January 27th, Will they be any tickets available for that game when the tix go online or will they all be gone by that time? What game? You'll still be able to get tickets for most games most likely but you'll have a hard time getting tickets for opening day, the cubs series(if they even sell them for individuals this year), red sox, yankees, etc. You'll still be fine for most series except the premier ones if I had to guess.

QUOTE(Konerko4mvp @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) i was just wondering if tickets will be available to publick since season ticket holder get their hands on them first......what tix are left for publick on the 27th...will a lot of tickets be gone or what? Yes. A ton of tickets are gone already, the season ticket base has almost doubled from last season.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 09:50 AM) I speak english quite well...Vazquez on the other hand... I was just giving you a hard time because you didn't write out that sentence correctly. I guess it's never good when you have to explain a joke, is it?