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QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:26 AM) You still wouldn't insure you'd get him .. as the Reds could revoke the waivers, or .. pull him back. But the Sox wouldn't have to claim him, because they would the last team on the list. If they let him through, they'd still be eligible to work a deal. Right, sorry, I didn't write that out very well, I should have said you insure yourself that another team doesn't pull off a deal for him, sorry about the confusion.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) It helps to know what you talking about when you throw out a new term There is no such thing as irrevocable waivers, but there are limits to how many time's a team can withdraw a player during multiple waiver periods. I'm not certain but that might be what happened with Manny. If you clear waivers in one period & then your team puts you out on waivers in another period they can't withdraw you from waivers. There might be one other instance of withdrawal in between there. So unless you have something more substantial to offer in your belief that at least 601 players are put on waivers during this period your statement remains ridiculous. Yes there is irrevecoable waivers, 320894320..... now you believe me?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) You don't claim him otherwise you could end up with the whole contract. At least under the deal we had worked out we were getting about $15 million in salary relief. That's why I asked the question if it would be worth it to take on that whole ridiculous contract to ensure yourself of getting him.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) What is wrong with resting starters the last two days to get them ready for the playoffs if there is literally nothing to play for? The same thing in the NFL came up last season with the final game of the year affecting whether certain teams went to the playoffs...and some in the WC hunt were playing teams who had wrapped up home field throughout and were resting starters. Well..maybe I should have read your whole post before I responded. You can definitely rest a few guys to get ready for the playoffs but that's different from just laying down and losing the game.

Ok, let me add a little more then just No. You don't lay down ever, that's just ridiculous and sends the message that you're scared. Would I prefer to play a different team in the playoffs? Sure I would, but the playoffs are a different game and I'd have confidence in our guys to beat Oakland. It's not like they wouldn't have a mental hurdle to overcome either, if this was the first round matchup from our side we'd be hearing how the A's own us and from their side they'd be hearing how they can't get out of the first round.

Great season imo.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:13 AM) If the Tribe and A's are within a game in the wildcard going into the last series, would you endorse the Sox laying down and giving Cleveland the series to keep Oakland out of the playoffs? No.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) I'd be willing to accept the reasoning that a team can place a player on waivers & then withdraw him before the 3 days & it never gets reported. That seems reasonable since no action occurs with respect to that player. I doubt very much that GM's do that with all their players because the player's agents would find out about it. But if the player is then DFA'd, claimed, or traded then that transaction would definitely be reported. In the case of marquee player's like Manny we've already seen that the act of a team placing such a player on waiver's gets reported. That's the main reason why I don't believe KGJ has been put on waivers. How could such an act escape reporters in NY? How could Levine be the only one to report about it? It makes no sense. Read post number 78, you're comparing apples and oranges, it's a big f'n difference.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) If the Sox claim him, they pick up his contract, right? And if they let him clear waivers, then they could work out a trade to have the reds pick up some of his salary. At least thats how I understand it, correct me if Im wrong. If the sox put a claim on him the Reds could either let him go to the Sox in which case the Sox would pick up the remainder of his contract, the Reds could work out a trade with the Sox or they can just pull him back off waivers.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:39 AM) Absolutely, got very high hopes for him. Ditto.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:59 AM) You can look thru the MLB transaction logs for previous years and search on DFA or clear to see where it's reported. The main reason why I don't believe Levine is telling the truth is because when Manny was put on waivers by BOS last year it was BIG news. Every major news circuit reported it. I would think KGJ being put on waivers would be just as big. Yet I can't even find a Cincy source reporting it. Big, HUGE difference. Manny was put on irrevocable(sp?) waivers, meaning if someone claimed him he was gone, Boston couldn't do anything about it. Also, most players are put on waivers this time of year, your comparision is awful in this case.

Here's a question for you guys: If Griffey makes it to the Sox to they put a claim in on him or just let him pass through? If they claim him they might be able to get him for absolutely no players just take on that crazy contract, also this negates any chance of another team(the yankees) making a trade for Jr.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 12:16 AM) Keep in mind that at best, Griffey coming to the Sox is a longshot. Griffey can turn it down. The Reds owner can turn it down. Any other team in baseball can prevent it from happening. Well...kind of. Basically it'll come down to if the Yankees claim him, if he gets passed the Yankees then he'll clear waivers and the teams can no longer block the sox from getting him.

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 10:29 PM) Nuke, I promise I'm not picking on you; rather I'm using this post as an example of the principle that "familiarity breeds contempt." We are so invested in this ballclub that a great many of ourselves, myself included, are much more ready to jump on the Sox's flaws than their strong points. We have been knocking on the door and have been teased so many times since the early '90's that we connot believe our eyes. Can this ballclub be beat? Do they have flaws? Check and check. The same is true of Boston, Oakland, Anaheim and New York. My mood is guarded optimism. Which I think is better than the guarded skepticism I usually project. Fantastic post. Very well said.

Time for Cunningham to get promoted?? He's just raking right now.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) This series was a quiz, this weekends series is the real test. Like Gene Honda Civic said. You think the Red Sox are the team to beat Shocking......

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Yeah, seems like we just have a difference in our definitions. I think we both agree that Pods needs to get his head out of his ass and starting hitting/stealing again. Well, those wouldn't be my exact words But yes, we need to get him going again. It'll happen though, just a matter of time imo.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) Wanna admit he's a streaky base stealer yet? This is his second slump of the season, though markedly longer than the other one. I don't think he's streaky but I think we interpret streaky a little different. He's had 2 instances this year where he's had trouble stealing bases, besides that he's been awesome doing so. I consider that more of slumping then streaky but like I said it's how you interpret the word.

QUOTE(S720 @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) How can we differentiate between a great, tough pitching OR a terrible, lame hitting? By watching them pitch, see if they're making good pitches, getting ahead, etc.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) It's just a lot of CS, though. It seems much worse since a good majority of them come in streaks. He must have 10 or 11 of those CS in the past month. Ya, that's the key is that he's in such a stolen base slump right now that it seems like a ton more. He'll get out of it though, hopefully we can clinch the division early and give him some rest, he's a bit beat up imo.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:39 PM) I think he's at 18 CS this year. That's really, really bad. He's still at 75 percent, that ain't bad. Considering how much pitchers throw over and how many better pitches he gets the guys behind him to hit because of the threat, that's perfectly fine.

Freddy is such a big game pitcher, he was dynamite today. Contreras and El duque were also both magnificent, you don't see to often the Yankees getting shutdown in the Bronx by another teams 3-4-5 guys, absolutely impressive.

QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) Grapes and sliced apples. Big eater.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) Close to 15,000 posts here at Soxtalk and there has yet to have been one insightful post. Thanks for contributing to the downfall of Soxtalk. Probably a good time to break this up now before it gets ugly.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) I don't know why we need a poll for "series mvp" against the yankees. It's just another series. Who cares about the yankees. We should not act like espn and hype up the yankees all the time. just my 2 cents I think the fact is that a lot of people were saying that the Sox were going to have to score a lot of runs to beat the likes of the yankees and bosox if we get in the postseason. Our pitching completely shut these guys down and that's without our 2 aces.