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QUOTE(The Critic @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 10:39 AM) THIS SATURDAY, ON ESPN!!!! IT'S The Notre Dame Debating Citizens of Irish Descent vs. The University of Illinois Illinoisians With Strong Dissenting Opinions BE THERE!!!!!! IT'S GONNA BE A WAAAAAARRRR!!!! I mean.....A BATTLE!!!!!.....I mean, AN ATHLETIC COMPETITION IN THE SPIRIT OF FAIR PLAY AND SPORTSMANSHIP!!!!!! In order to appease everyone, the following terms have also been changed: "bomb" will become "very long pass" "blitz" will become "hurrying towards the quarterback" "2 minute warning" will become "notice that only 2 minutes remain"

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) Which is common for a young pitcher until he learns how to master those 3rd and 4th pitches. And to be honest, as a reliever because of how good his fastball is he doesn't need to much more then his fastball and a show me breaking ball.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:16 AM) All I've been trying to say is that players put on waivers, claimed on waivers, cleared through waivers or withdrawn from waivers are NOT commonly reported. It was stated that we'd know about all these transactions. We don't know about these because it is such a common occurance. We know of at least two players (Remlinger and Moyer) that have been placed on waivers and have either been been claimed or cleared. If I would be shown in the MLB daily transactions that are printed in every newspaper across the country that one of these was listed, then I would gladly yield to Juggs point. So far, I haven't seen that. You're exactly right(I'm sure you're so thrilled to have my support ) teams put a ton of players on waivers every single year, the reason the Manny thing was so publicized was because if a team claimed him he was gone and there wasn't a thing Boston could do about it.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) I just heard on the Score that he passed today at 103 years old. That's really sad, it was awesome seeing him throw out the first pitch at the cell a little while back.

By the time we play them again they'll be officially dead, I think they should rest Sweeney to get him ready for next season.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:08 AM) YOU said we'd know about it. That all these players going through waivers would be known. I'm saying SHOW ME!.... You said it. Back it up. Is there a number attatched? If not he might not be able to find it.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) At some point, you MIGHT have to beat a good team or two to win the World Series.... Liar.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Half and half... Seriously I think Gload is a decent hitter with below average defense. He has done nothing to really prove otherwise... I do think that Gload would still be here had he not made that error... Well that and having a batting average below the Mendoza line... Gload is NOT a below average defender, you have to know one play doesn't make a career.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:44 AM) Oh yeah we remember those threads now don't we. Remember he had no control, he walks too many hitters, his ERA is too high, he should be in Charlotte starting, Kevin Walker has more potential than him, were some of the doozies to name a few. LOL, I was one of the Kevin Walker supporters I'll admit that. Key word there is WAS.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:44 AM) IIRC one guy who used to post here WSoxShuf, works for the Sox now. Yes he does.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:41 AM) I think you'll see Neal will be a starter or closer before he's done. He's got what it takes. Agreed 100 percent. As you guys know Neal is one of the guys I've been real high on since I saw him pitch his first game.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:42 AM) With respect to waivers the CBA makes reference to MLB Rule 10. If you can find information pertaining to that rule that should end this debate. There is no mention of irrevocable waivers in the CBA or any official document I've been able to find in MLB. I will always believe official documents over ESPN news reports. Reporters make mistakes all the time. That's why they print corrections. Juggs, there is irrevokable waivers, that's what Manny was put on before the start of last season, I am 100 percent sure of this.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:36 AM) That throwing under the bus happens WAY too often here. We're a patient group, aren't we? Neal's been nothing short of magnificent this year and I don't think he's done improving.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:34 AM) That's a DIFFERENT waiver period altogether! We are talking REGULAR season! And that is when the media was making a big deal out of Manny being put on waivers, besides that we've never heard of it and I'm fairly certain he's been put on waivers in the regular season every single year for a while now.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:30 AM) This is too easy If it never gets reported then what basis do you have for your statement? How do you know that Frank has been put on waivers repeatedly? Where did you get that information if it was never reported? Let's try to use common sense here. If a player is placed on waivers then all MLB teams know about it as does the player's union & player himself. There is no confidentiality agreement governing this information. So it's ridiculous to suggest ALL or even most marquee players get put on waivers & no one ever reports it. Put another way, if the NYY$ put A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Randy Johnson, or Mike Mussina on waivers do you really believe not one NY reporter would write about it? I'll bet you they've all been put on waivers before, I guarantee it.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:26 AM) You still wouldn't insure you'd get him .. as the Reds could revoke the waivers, or .. pull him back. But the Sox wouldn't have to claim him, because they would the last team on the list. If they let him through, they'd still be eligible to work a deal. Right, sorry, I didn't write that out very well, I should have said you insure yourself that another team doesn't pull off a deal for him, sorry about the confusion.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) It helps to know what you talking about when you throw out a new term There is no such thing as irrevocable waivers, but there are limits to how many time's a team can withdraw a player during multiple waiver periods. I'm not certain but that might be what happened with Manny. If you clear waivers in one period & then your team puts you out on waivers in another period they can't withdraw you from waivers. There might be one other instance of withdrawal in between there. So unless you have something more substantial to offer in your belief that at least 601 players are put on waivers during this period your statement remains ridiculous. Yes there is irrevecoable waivers, 320894320..... now you believe me?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) You don't claim him otherwise you could end up with the whole contract. At least under the deal we had worked out we were getting about $15 million in salary relief. That's why I asked the question if it would be worth it to take on that whole ridiculous contract to ensure yourself of getting him.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:21 AM) What is wrong with resting starters the last two days to get them ready for the playoffs if there is literally nothing to play for? The same thing in the NFL came up last season with the final game of the year affecting whether certain teams went to the playoffs...and some in the WC hunt were playing teams who had wrapped up home field throughout and were resting starters. Well..maybe I should have read your whole post before I responded. You can definitely rest a few guys to get ready for the playoffs but that's different from just laying down and losing the game.

Ok, let me add a little more then just No. You don't lay down ever, that's just ridiculous and sends the message that you're scared. Would I prefer to play a different team in the playoffs? Sure I would, but the playoffs are a different game and I'd have confidence in our guys to beat Oakland. It's not like they wouldn't have a mental hurdle to overcome either, if this was the first round matchup from our side we'd be hearing how the A's own us and from their side they'd be hearing how they can't get out of the first round.

Great season imo.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:13 AM) If the Tribe and A's are within a game in the wildcard going into the last series, would you endorse the Sox laying down and giving Cleveland the series to keep Oakland out of the playoffs? No.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) I'd be willing to accept the reasoning that a team can place a player on waivers & then withdraw him before the 3 days & it never gets reported. That seems reasonable since no action occurs with respect to that player. I doubt very much that GM's do that with all their players because the player's agents would find out about it. But if the player is then DFA'd, claimed, or traded then that transaction would definitely be reported. In the case of marquee player's like Manny we've already seen that the act of a team placing such a player on waiver's gets reported. That's the main reason why I don't believe KGJ has been put on waivers. How could such an act escape reporters in NY? How could Levine be the only one to report about it? It makes no sense. Read post number 78, you're comparing apples and oranges, it's a big f'n difference.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) If the Sox claim him, they pick up his contract, right? And if they let him clear waivers, then they could work out a trade to have the reds pick up some of his salary. At least thats how I understand it, correct me if Im wrong. If the sox put a claim on him the Reds could either let him go to the Sox in which case the Sox would pick up the remainder of his contract, the Reds could work out a trade with the Sox or they can just pull him back off waivers.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:39 AM) Absolutely, got very high hopes for him. Ditto.