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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 05:41 PM) I'm sending Hawk and DJ an e-mail....look out for an e-mail by "Slavko B from Chicago" They wont get it today.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) Isin't he hitting like .350-.370 with RISP? He's 2nd in the al I believe with risp and 2 outs.

I mean that's all you have to do to score runs, 3 walks and a k-wp. You see that happen all the time.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) Alright, really gotta make it hurt, Jermaine... Carl is so vulnerable to that breaking ball down and in. He always swings at it. He obviously planned that the whole at bat

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) Ya, I think its around 7 mill a year annually (which isn't too bad cause he's a pretty good pitcher, imo). Ya, I have no clue why I thought he just took arbitration but that's a reasonable price for him and I'd love to have him. However because of that division the dodgers are in if they can get healthy they have a reasonable shot at winning that thing.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) He signed one of those cookie cutter 3-year deals... 22-24M Ahh, for some reason I thought he just accepted arbitration, thanks for the info.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:39 PM) I'm going to throw out a name here, but Odalis Perez. He's fed up with the Dodgers organization and just signed a 3 yr deal (maybe it was longer) for them a year or two ago (can't remember which off-season it was). He's a lefty, isn't signed to a horrid contract, and is a pretty good pitcher when healthy. The only issue is that he's been banged up this year and the Dodgers may not want to give him up, since they are technically still in the race (especially when they get there bats back). At the same time, if they truly are fed up with him, now would be a good time. Perez is mad at how the organization rushed him and Gagne back from injuries, mainly him. Says he was in a rehab assignemtn, told them he absolutely couldn't go another inning, and they threw him out there anyway and he ended up re-injuring something and it delayed his comeback. He hasn't been great this year (but he's finally getting healthy) and last year he was tremendous once again (2 of his past 3 seasons have been very good, imo). He may pitch at Dodger stadium but he has good stuff and limits hits and is a solid strikeout pitcher. He's gotten hit hard in his two starts since coming off the DL though. Didn't he just accept arbitration this past offseason to stay with L.A.??

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) No Crede tonight. His back may be acting up again. Pods & AJ are off, too. It's the all righty lineup: Ozuna 3B Gooch 2B Hurt DH Konerko 1B Everett LF Dye RF Rowand CF Widger C Uribe SS Tribe: Sizemore CF Coco Puffs LF Hafner DH Martinez C Blake RF Belliard 2B Broussard 1B Peralta SS Boone 3B Ugh, I hate it that scotty is out because a lefty is pitching. Hopefully ozuna can make some things happen at the top of the order. EDIT: Scott's batting .328 against lefties this year with a .389 obp against them, yet it seems he's not getting many ab's agasint southpaws anymore.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) I just don't get why Lilly would be on the market when the Jays are one of the teams hot after Burnett. If they are looking to add pitching, than I don't see them moving Lilly. It would essentially be counterproductive. Yeah, I actually agree with that, I don't think Lilly is getting traded, I probably should have said that. But if he was available the I'd love to have him, more or less I was talking a guy like Lilly, who can add depth to the rotation, be a solid 5th starter and also be a long reliever when needed.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:29 PM) I think the answer here is Obvious.... Aubrey Huff.... Big back... Can play 3B for now... and when Crede is fully healthy it allows us to give Konerko his walking papers... Plus can spell the OF too... Big bat... Impact player.... For a package of Anderson, Sweeney, and BMAC maybe the DRAY'S Will bite.. Anderson, Sweeney and Bmac for a player who's had a tough year?? No f'n way. I'm a huge Huff fan too but that trade would be dumb.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) Burnett is the sexy choice. Let's just get Lilly and call it a day. I'm really starting to lean this way as well. As much as Burnett is intriguing getting Lilly adds depth to the rotation, could be a bullpen saver as well and obviously it wouldn't cost us as much. I'm pro Lilly at this point or a pitcher like him.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 12:49 PM) A little more national exposure :uhoh

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) There is a big difference between throwing 100 and throwing 96. In ability...the guy throwing 100 wins. In cost...it's a different story. Alright, by ability I mean the ability to get guys out, basically how good the pitcher is. If Damaso is in 03 form he's just a bit below Wagner, probably the 2nd best lefty reliever in baseball though.

QUOTE(Jimenez4MVP @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 02:14 PM) No fn way... Marte is not better than Wagner, not even close... Look at the career numbers Wagner >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marte If Damaso is back to 03 form which isn't a certainty at all yet, he's pretty close to Billy in terms of ability.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:24 AM) I would not take much Rowand says seriously. I mean, afterall, he like slurps Timo and everything he does. It's really nice to see qwerty has started a new language.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:09 AM) :headshake Have I ever mentioned I hate you??

I just thought this play deserved some mentioning. To be honest, I've never seen that play in the majors before, you look at the start of the play where Rowand was positioned and it's absolutely amazing for him to get to that ball. Just an absolutely fantastic play by Aaron, possibly a game saver. This play is almost symbolic of how this season has been, everyone on the team chipping in, players bailing their teammates out in certain situations. To Aaron To the White Sox I absolutely love this team, they can go along way people, lets enjoy it.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 01:37 AM) I don't remember if him and I ever agreed on one, but we kept talking and I said the Sox bullpen was one of the best and he disagreed. I remember saying it would be in the 3's. I think yours was similar right Rowand? Of course qwerty and I never did agree to terms. Plus there is a lot of season left. When Neal's era was around or over 7 at the beginning of the season and Sox R Us started that thread bashing Neal, I said I'd be anyone that Neal would finish the season with an era under 4 and qwerty took me up on the offer. EDIT: There's obviously still a ton of time left but I've always had a ton of faith in Neal so in my mind there is no way he gets his era above 4 by the end of the season.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 01:26 AM) Friendly bet is cool, since I already have the sig bet with qwerty. What was your sig bet with him? Cause he's definitely going to lose the one I had with him.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 01:11 AM) Schmidt is the guy I'm falling back in love with. AJ has stellar stuff too, but I think he costs major league parts and quite frankly, I'm not dealing more then one or two guys, definately not Contreras. Duque can go, but Contreras is and should stay on the south side. As far as VA suggested deal of Contreras/Uribe for Schmidt/Vizquel. Thats a pretty fair deal straight up, especially if the Giants are looking towards the future. Throw in a mid-level prospect and it gets the deal done. Problem is I don't gie up Contreras or Uribe. However, I'd be more then willing to throw two of the Sox top prospects, a middle infield prospect (Valido/Gonzo/Lopez), a mid tier guy, and Willie Harris. Did anyone watch Schmidt pitch tonight?? I left and went out after the sox game so I didn't watch him pitch tonight but I'm still of hte opinion that he'll get better every start cause his stuff is there it's just the fact of him getting healthy which will allow his control to get better.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) I don't think that's gonna happen at all. The lineup is hot as hell right now, that's a given. But it was the worst in baseball early on. It will find a happy medium somewhere in between there, and be solid the rest of the year. That pitching staff is unbelievable though. Rotation 1-5 is solid up and down, Calero and Rincon are both very solid middle relievers, and Duchscherer and Street are lights out. What you seem to be suggesting to me is that a team can't find themselves at some point during the year and turn it around. However, it happens all the time. The Braves have done it numerous times over the years, the Marlins did it in the 03 season, the Astros last year, the Sox and Twins in 03(IIRC, they were the 2 best teams in atleast the AL in the second half of 2003), the Red Sox last year, and those are just off the top of my head without much research. The A's starting pitching finally started to pitch up to its potential, the bullpen has been strong all year, and the offense is clicking...why can't they continue at an 85-90 win pace? I see no reason why they can't, especially knowing teams under Beane of recent years, and how they have very strong second halves. They also completely manhandled the best team in the league, as the entire board is well aware of, so it's not like they are beating up on scrub teams. I said it before the year started that either I thought they were going to win the West of that they were going to be a surprise team. I took s*** for it early on. I don't think I'm gonna be taking much more s*** for it. They are for real, and I see them taking the Wild Card, which would almost undoubtedly pair them with the Sox in the ALDS, due to the fact that no one in the East will probably win more than 95 games, unless they get carazy hot, and that would leave the A's with only one other team they can face. Hella crazy test if the Sox wanna win it all, eh? Of course a team can find itself but right now Oakland's just riding a hot streak even if they are a good team, what they've done the last couple weeks is just ridiculous. I think they're right around a .500 team this year, they do have a nice core for the next few years but we'll see how that works. By the way I did pitck them to finish 2nd in that division so I thought they were going to be decent. I'd make a friendly bet on them winning the wild card, I'll take the Twins and you can have them. IMO they aren't getting in, they'll finish around 82-85 wins but that's jmo.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 11:46 PM) This of course not mentioning Blanton minus May... 5-4, 2.44 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, .89 HR/9, 4.56 K/9, 2 K/BB Like I said...subtracting his awful May. So maybe Hawk's argument will be that it's even easier to win with 4 aces. (of course, need I mention how good Blanton would look right now in the White Sox system) Wite, they're two games over .500 kind of where everyone expected them to be, it's not like they're ripping people apart. Well, actually right now they are but they're hot and after all is set and done they'll probably be a .500 team and miss the playoffs this year.

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) I agree, shootouts suck. Theres nothing wrong with having a tie in hockey, IMO. Well they're trying to bring in a new group of fans right now and a shootout is a good way to do that. I'm not a hockey fan and I personally think it's a good idea but that being said I understand fully where you die hard hockey fans are coming from because as Pauly8509 said I wanted want Baseball game decided by a HR derby or a bball game decided by a dunk contest.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) Just got home, but seems like I missed a very well pitched game. Very big win tonight by Contreras, as it gets us started off well for the 2nd half. fathom, as impressive as Contreras was, Damaso looked fantastic. I'm excited about both of them but if we can get the Damaso of 03 back, look out.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 09:07 PM) This team has 58 wins in mid July, and im really get worried about sending away 3 pretty big position players for one or two brand new ones. I really think a Ted Lilly is what this team might need, I really do. This is such a good point. I really do like Burnett but no matter how good he is, it would be hard to give up 3 players who have had roles in our success this season. Lilly would be great as you mentioned because he brings some versatility to this club in case of injuries. If Damaso is fully healthy and can throw the ball the way he did today the bullpen should be fine.