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LOL @ Florida being the overall 1.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 04:25 PM) So the most accruate bracketologists(collegeRPI.com) have Illinois in with room to breathe. Lunardi was much more accurate than Jerry last year.

Less than an hour :headbang :headbang

QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 01:49 PM) Illini and Purdue will both be in, some people put Purdue in for sure over Illinois because they think head to head makes a big difference in decision making which it doesnt. Heres my take: Drexel - IN Illinois - IN Purdue - IN Kansas State - OUT Old Dominion - OUT Florida State - OUT Stanford - OUT Air Force - OUT WVU - IN It'll be a complete joke if WVU gets in.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 01:24 PM) I was only using it to begin with because of Stanford. To me, the SC should not be able to grant a team phantom wins just because of injuries. It's stupid and it makes no sense at all. There is no guarntee any one player could have made a difference in any one loss. Besides, weren't they all back for their last game vs. USC? I'm not sure they were, but I do know they lost. If they wanted to actually use the flawed argument of injuries, then they had to win this game, but they didn't. This is what is so flawed about the selection process. Apparently it's better to be strong in one part of your resume and be terrible in every other field than it is to be solid in every part of your resume. Again, dumb logic. Apparently you missed this: "Home losses to Santa Clara, Gonzaga, and California. Loss @ Washington. Oh yeah, did I mention they lost by 35 to Air Force at home?" Now I'm going to get lectured on how each one of those isn't. But in the end there is no denying that tourney teams should be losing to teams like these consistently. That's fine and dandy, but that's not for you and I to decide. The committee IS supposed to take injuries into discussion, so look at that any way you would like. And of course the selection process is flawed, how the hell would it not be? And again, of course things are going to be weighed more so than others, that's just the way it goes. As far as Stanford's losses, maybe they shouldn't have lost those games, but none of those teams they've lost to are bad teams, especially Gonzaga, considering they had Heytfelt for that game.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 01:06 PM) I just have no idea how 1 very nice win in KState's case can make up for so much suck assness in other areas. Or Drexel, 3 nice wins but 4th place in a mid major conference... I've said plenty of times that I don't believe K State belongs in, so I agree completely there. Don't discount Drexel because they play in a "mid major" conference. The top 4 in the Colonial are really, really good. Drexel also has 14 road wins, and 3 against probable tourny teams. The best true road win for the Illini is Northwestern? Minnesota? Penn State? You can make good arguments for Illinois but their resume certainly isn't flawless.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 01:05 PM) Just 1 of many criteria, but apparently this year it's the only one. No, no. I never said that, but if they do get left out, that will be the reason. All their other numbers are good, there is no doubting that, however I do believe that having a marquee win is a huge factor, and Illinois just doesn't have that. Calm down bro, I know you're stressing over this but nothing has been released yet. Don't let Lunardi make you sad.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 11, 2007 -> 12:50 PM) I'll post what I did in another thread: 18 wins RPI of 66 12 losses 4-6 in their last ten 4-8 against the RPI top 50 1st round conference tourney loss Home losses to Santa Clara, Gonzaga, and California. Loss @ Washington. Oh yeah, did I mention they lost by 35 to Air Force at home? How teams like Stanford and Kansas State are even being considered is beyond me. If you're going to use the injury excuse for Illinois you must for Stanford as well. They were missing Brook Lopez at the beginning of the year(when they got blown out by Air Force) and they were missing Andrew Goods for this bad stretch they've had, now they're both back. They also have an insane amount of good wins compared to other bubble teams: Texas Tech, @ Virginia(only team to win there this season), Washington State, USC, UCLA, Oregon. They also have 0 bad losses(just like the Illini). Stanford belongs in the field. If something is going to keep Illinois out, it's the lack of a marquee win. That simple.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 10, 2007 -> 11:30 AM) Wasn't Illinois' SOS within the Big Ten lower than even Indiana's? I could be wrong there, but I think Illinois had a slightly easier schedule in conference. Still, either way you look at it, with everything else that could happen the next two days, I would not be overly confident if I were a fan of either team. Dude, you have the Rowand guarantee.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 10, 2007 -> 09:33 AM) For comparison's sake Illinois has: 1. Better RPI 2. Better SOS 3. 2-1 Head to head over Indiana 4. More Big Ten wins 5. 7-3 in their last ten over 5-5 6. Better on the road (9-7 vs 5-10) 7. 3 more wins overall Indiana has: 1. More signature wins 2. Less losses Not as close as it seems. Once again, the better rpi isn't necessarily the case, it depends on what site you look at. They have more big 10 wins because IU got a bye into the quarters, bad argument. They do have a better record in their last 10 and that 9-7 is road AND neutral which includes 5 wins in the Chicago land area, so look at that how you want. That being said, one of those neutral games was also a loss to UA in Zona. They do have more wins, but again, they've played 3 more games. Add into the equation that IU has two wins over probable protected seeds and all the other numbers are so ridiculously close, IU still has the better overall resume imo.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 10, 2007 -> 09:16 AM) Which still doesn't make up for the fact that every other aspect of Illinois' resume is better now. Even so, they have a home win over Wisconsin over Illinois, and thats it. Not nearly enough to make or brake a team. Their other numbers are so freakin close that it probably doesn't make that much of a difference. It depends what site you look at for rpi as on some IU is ahead and on some UI is ahead, it's a basic wash. UI's sos is better by 12 spots, which is fine but definitely not something that is going to decide a seed line and as for the wins, well Illinois played 3 extra games. Regardless of what anyone thinks of SIU a win over a top 10 rpi team is impressive. IU has two wins over probable protected seeds, something Illinois doesn't even come close to. Their other numbers are so darn close that unless Illinois beats Wiscy today, IU should still be the higher seed imo.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 10, 2007 -> 09:02 AM) Again, Illinois is top 30 in the RPI and play in a major conference. They are a lock, no question. IU has now stooped below both UI and MSU in terms of seeding now too. Illinois has the better RPI, the better SOS, 3 more wins, and a 2-1 record vs Indiana. Why would UI be a bubble team but IU not be? Again, doesn't matter though, both teams are locks. IU has better wins, that's why.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 10, 2007 -> 06:24 AM) As an Indiana fan, I am now somewhat worried about getting into the dance. I know IU has been considered a "lock" but I am not too comfortable right now. That was some ugly basketball last night by both teams You guys are in, you have the Rowand guarantee(Note: the last time the Rowand guarantee was used was when I said Gonzaga would not make the s16 last year, so you obviously have nothing to worry about). P.S. Rex, I pm'ed an admin from VT two days ago and still haven't received a response.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 09:10 PM) Nevada is the worst team to ever have been ranked #10 this late in the season. I'm not a huge fan of Nevada but they are missing one of their best players at the moment. http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti.../LOCAL/70309026

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 09:15 AM) You're the best, TQ. Young baseball fans, listen to what this guy has to say. Make sure to check your PMs over the next couple of weeks. Real baseball is right around the corner. You're better than that, Ian. People who say "everyone of our minor leaguers suck" are as bad as the people who refuse to trade any of them. I'm a big Aaron Rowand fan(duh) but I don't think it makes any sense at all to trade back for the guy.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 03:57 PM) I hate KState as much as the next KU fan, but they deserve to get in now. Great the old saying, its hard to beat a team 3 times in one season. KSU really doesn't deserve to get in. But, they're in now, which sucks.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 11:45 AM) lol, everytime Phillips is critical of anyone, they turn around and say "You were a sh**ty general manager, can it" It's almost too easy. As much as Phillips doesn't know what he's talking about for the most part, he gained a lot of respect with me when he was basically the only media member to admit he was wrong about the Sox in 05.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 11:01 AM) Trading Mike MacDougal for Aaron Rowand would be absolutely f***ing insane. ^^^

SDSU is about to lose to Colorado State, I just don't get it. That team is uber talented and they've just had an awful year. Good news for bubble teams though as SDSU definitely had the talent to make a run through that tourny, now BYU or UNLV are almost assured of winning that thing.

Wow, Wake takes down Ga Tech in a crazy game. Georgia Tech just made it where their fans can't sleep easy anymore. My god, these tourny's are insane.

Pack win.

Duke-NC State in OT. Overtime galore tonight, gotta love it.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Mar 8, 2007 -> 07:34 PM) My fault, I meant the Mountain West tourney. It's all good. Anywho, SLU takes down UMass and the Minutemen have been popped.

Cal takes down UCLA and will move on to face Oregon who destroyed Zona earlier today.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Mar 8, 2007 -> 06:48 PM) Completely agree. Air Force has never won a game in the NCAA tourney. Well that has nothing to do with this year. They do still have some things going for them as they're 9 and 6 in road/neutral games, they have two solid ooc wins(3 if u include @ Santa Clara) and they also have the one win over UNLV in conference, they also have a pretty solid rpi. Now, you can certainly make a case against them and if I'm on the committee, I wouldn't have them in, BUT I still think they find their way into the field.