RockRaines

Because Cowards have seen what several of their kin have done across the country, and with the added bonus of instant fame due to tv and the internet it seems like the best option.

You know its a bad post when kenny hates prospects agrees with you. Honestly, not your best thread Steve.

If BA and Carlos get out to fast starts and Jerry is still on the DL, I dont think you will see him much this season. Both of those guys have the ability to be 100 percent better players, and if they do that, Jerry is in Charlotte.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:55 PM) Once again, you are ignoring the main point. McD isnt a long reliever, nor has he proven to have the ability. In case you want to keep posting this nonsense, he is the proof: MacDougal career stats Pitch 1-15 2.76 ERA 1.34 WHIP Pitch 16-30 6.64 ERA 1.87 WHIP Pitch 31-45 19.50 ERA 1.33 WHIP He then has a grand total of 8 innings pitching beyond pitch 45, and the last time he went that far was 2001, before several injuries. HES NOT A LONG RELIEVER. And I am not arguing that Masset should be there, but right now he's our only option for someone who can go 3+ innings in relief, he doesnt do it very well, but at least he has the ability. Right now we have specialists on the roster, nobody between McD, Wass, Jenks, Dotel, Line, Logan should go more than 1 maybe 2 innings. Bolded for you Princess. Seriously.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 07:06 PM) Well based on your reasoning we can have the tub of goo that is the starter at 2nd to join him in AAA. He has been regressing over the last few years, and pretty much is the player that you think Fields is. Fields however is a rookie, and not making 4 million dollars. You think the goo at 2nd is a talented guy, and Fields needs more seasoning. I remember when Uribe needed a hot September to barely nip Brian Anderson in 06 for worst batting average. Uribe has hit his ceiling and is older and overpaid, yet should play, but an improving month by month rookie with alot of upside for league minimum is bad. Logic is fun.

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) I fully understand your point, and I addressed it. But you're the one who disregarded my point about what determines whether you keep a 25 yr old. It's not high ceiling. If you'd actually read the thread, you'd see that I think MacDougal should be in our thinking for long relief. And be better at it than Masset, who has done nothing at the MLB level. If you want someone to go 3 innings and continue having horrendous pitching ability throughout those innings, scamper towards that full speed. Once again, you are ignoring the main point. McD isnt a long reliever, nor has he proven to have the ability. In case you want to keep posting this nonsense, he is the proof: MacDougal career stats Pitch 1-15 2.76 ERA 1.34 WHIP Pitch 16-30 6.64 ERA 1.87 WHIP Pitch 31-45 19.50 ERA 1.33 WHIP He then has a grand total of 8 innings pitching beyond pitch 45, and the last time he went that far was 2001, before several injuries. HES NOT A LONG RELIEVER. And I am not arguing that Masset should be there, but right now he's our only option for someone who can go 3+ innings in relief, he doesnt do it very well, but at least he has the ability. Right now we have specialists on the roster, nobody between McD, Wass, Jenks, Dotel, Line, Logan should go more than 1 maybe 2 innings.

QUOTE(JFields27 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 12:49 PM) Reed Johnson signs 1 year deal with the Cubs cubs fans are rejoicing because not only is he better than Murton, but also everyone else on the market. Of course I disagree.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:42 PM) the difference was Crede did it during a Championship run. Fields just got some big hits in the worst season I can remember from the White Sox in a long, long time. You have to go with experience in the end if you want to compete. Ah, I get it. Wins matter less when your team is worse. Probably easier to win when you suck.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:19 PM) Its really too bad the Sox don't have the prospects to get McFail to bite on a Brian Roberts deal. He would be a perfect fit for this team. 100% Fills two holes, and makes Owens lead off "abilities" moot while opening the roster for BA since he doesnt have to lead off or be "speedy". 1.Roberts 2B 2. Ocab SS 3. Thome DH 4. Kong 1B 5. Dye RF 6. Swish LF 7. AJP C 8. Crede 3B 9. BA CF

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:38 PM) I would argue that Fields was far and away our best clutch hitter last season. Fields had about as many win shares in his partial season last year as Crede did in his "clutch" 05

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 06:00 PM) My condolences you'll have to travel to Charlotte to watch Josh strikeout and hit an occassional homer. He should be back by July though. Yeah, maybe we can both go and compare a up and coming prospect with a veteran who isnt anything like him. It will be fun for everyone!

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 05:31 PM) Funny how a guy who had 140 ABs less than Juan Uribe last year, but hit 3 more homers, hit .010 higher, that's 1 more hit than Juan Uribe per 100 ABs, and had an OBP .025 higher than Uribe, that's 1 more time on base every 40 ABs and struck out 13 times more is a sure-fire star to a lot of people here. Apples and oranges again with you huh? We all know you dont like Josh, just put it in your sig.

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 03:57 PM) What about it makes no sense? Do you actually think that Masset has shown more reliability as a pro than Wasserman? Granted the sample size is not huge for either, but Wasserman, career ERA 2.74 Masset, career ERA 7.09 And compare their ST reliability as well. It's similar, actually. So, again, since you didnt understand: if we're not talking about 23 yr olds, then play the one that has had success. Not difficult to see who has done more as a pro. That's all my point was. Now if you want to list other reasons why Wasserman is a bad fit, by all means. But if you're 'win now,' then go with the guy in his mid-twenties who has contributed to more winning baseball than the other. Ugh, read a post before you quote it. One is a long reliever, the other is situational, do I have to sell you a clue?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 05:13 PM) I was honestly so excited to see Fields-Quentin-Richar start this year and now it's likely that none of them will. I just don't get this organization at times. 2 out of the three are hurt

Give it up. For each girl like that, there are 200 others waiting in the wings. Most likely once you start glancing at them, she may come running. The best advice I could give is not to dwell on one girl or another, as you never know who could come walking into your life when you open your eyes.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 09:39 AM) Sorry Dude, I think you are wayyyy off on this. Derrick rose is a special talent and Beasley is even more special than him. I think both of these guys have a great chance to develop into top 15 players in the league (maybe even more) . I would trade any single player and most 2 player packages to obtain one of these two if I were John Paxson. Seriously? Durant is a top 15 guy, Oden is a top guy, Carmelo was a top guy. Beasley is kind of a tweener. He doesnt excel on the outside and will basically have to bang against bigger guys in the post. I wouldnt put him up there with top picks of the last several drafts IMO.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 02:05 AM) It has little to do with power but the fact Owens sucks. Obviously, even though 99 percent of Soxtalk was calling for Owens when Anderson sucked. But thats also not what was said, and what I was referring to. Basically it was said if Owens had ANY power, then it would be ok for him to start.

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 10:56 PM) simple. Wasserman is older and has shown consistent ability to do something. Get righties. Masset is about as old and yet we're still waiting for any kind of reliability. That makes about zero sense, but ok. And Wass isnt a long guy, he's basically a 1 inning situational guy at the MLB level. Who is going to pitch garbage innings when the starter gets knocked around? Mac, Logan, Dotel, Jenks, Linebrink, Wass are all 1 to MAYBE 2 inning guys. If you can come up with the magical player that fits the bullpen in that role, maybe you would have an actual argument. But comparing age for zero reason and just saying he hasnt shown us anything is a waste of a thread.

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 06:03 PM) Will soon turn 26. snip snip I felt this way before, but now that I realize his age...this is so needed. He was touted as a velocity guy and we havent even seen that big time. Wasserman older but right now better. So if you want an older guy, why talk about his age?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 07:50 PM) That is why he's overrated, and that's why I'm a bit flustered by this whole situation. If Owens had shown any type of power whatsoever to this point in his career, I wouldn't be nearly as upset about the situation, because then the Sox would have a great situation to deal with here. As it is, the best player between Owens and Anderson is likely to ride the bench/be sent to AAA/be dealt. POWER!!! WE NEED POWER!!!!!

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 12:27 AM) I doubt it. Their owner is rich and is more than willing to spend. I remember reading a couple of years ago that he believes there is no reason they can't become the Yankees and after winning a bunch of Stanley Cups (this was during the strike), he wanted to bring back baseball in Detroit permanently and would do it by any means necessary. This won't handicap Detroit at all. Because Detroit's population is about the size of a neighborhood in NYC, that without the outlying boroughs, NJ, etc. Detroit is a cesspool that has a limited amount of money and people, its not the best area to have a business.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 10:07 PM) http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....ys-develop.html Still no guarantee that Anderson makes the opening day roster. It's amazing the bulls*** that comes out of the mouth of some of the Sox decision makers. Maybe they feel like when a position was guaranteed to Brian that he didnt focus or perform well enough, and now that he's battling he is really stepping up and they want to keep him in that frame of mind.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 12:23 PM) It's a good thing that it doesn't matter one iota in his career whether he has your respect or not. Wow, im glad i didnt mention that my opinions affect his career more than anything. Phew!!!! I wonder if DickRod liked putting all his eggs in that basket? I wonder how his players felt when they found out that recruits for his next job were more important than they were? I wonder if any recruits wondered what kind of a coach was it that would do such a thing? I wonder if a coaches character ever comes into play during recruiting in a recruit's living room with his family? I wonder if THEIR opinion will affect his career?

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 07:36 PM) It's not taking things to the extreme if they are true. He has speed, and that is the only reason why he is even being looked at for a spot. He doesn't know how to hit, he doesn't know how to read flyballs, and he has quite possibly the weakest arm in the MLB, or at least the weakest arm of any OF in the majors. Exaggerations are fun everyone!!!

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) that may be true.. but you have to give the guy credit, he loses his SS job to Cabrera, doesnt b**** about it. Then he is waived.. but brought back. The dude has gone through a lot this spring but has kept it cool and is having one of the best Springs out of all the Sox players. Maybe a 'scare' to lose a starting job has driven a fire under his booteh. Keep the hitting coming Juan... We could use that come April. How do you know he hasnt b****ed? From what the press said, he had more than 2 tense meetings with Ozzie and management, that doesnt sound like he was calm and collected to me. And you know what kind of player you are getting with Juan, so having a good spring doesnt mean much. He will have a sub .300 obp, barely walk, have huge slumps, and swing off his heels. Its Juan Uribe, not a mystery prospect.