RockRaines

nice, tough league again.

QUOTE(Fotop @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 05:08 PM) Do my eyes deceive me, or did OSU fans just storm the court after the game? Granted, I didn't watch much of the game at all...but you're the #1 team. And were favorites. Makes no sense to rush the court. They just won the Big Ten. Im sure they are sorry that they are celebrating that.

Wooo, the refs really tried to put their mark on the game. Good win for the Big Ten Champs.

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 03:18 PM) Throughout this haney dialogue, he claims that he is a Peoria, an Illiniwek, and a Dakota. Something isn't right there... Still waiting for your sources.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 03:17 PM) Hopefully you are right. And something that I am hopeful about is the fact that we have proven we can play with any team in the East, which is all that really matters until the Finals. :-) I think the Pistons are the only team that are legit enough to be better than us.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Feb 24, 2007 -> 05:45 PM) Haha. I'm somewhat addicted already. Have watched 14 episodes in 2 days, but I wish the plot would move more linear than explore different characers each episode. But with so many characters, I guess they don't really have a choice. I want to know what's inside that door Boone and Locke found. Nobody laugh that I'm so far behind, and nobody tell me. You are in deep trouble my friend. I liken it to Band Of Brothers where you just watch for 14 hours and realize its dark outside.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 03:15 PM) Exactly. Despite the fact they get a vast majority of the calls they STILL b**** about everyone they don't get. God what a f***ing s***ty loss. Could have started 4-0 after the break with 3 big wins in a row and really be starting a nice roll. They may still be rolling. We had foul trouble for our two starting guards and still had that game in the end. On the road the Pistons dont get alot of those calls.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 03:10 PM) What they started the game? This is crazy/ I guess ESPN realizes we NEED to see Duke

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 03:07 PM) Down 16 and still fouling. Come on St. John's. And CBS, this isn't a game. Switch over for God's sake. They switched over from the Buckeyes game to the Duke game last week but wont do the same this week. Ridiculous.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) Damn it, Bulls should have won. Pissed another one away. Its ridiculous to think how many games we've lost this season that we should have won. And that was such a freaking foul on Webber when he got the offensive rebound and tip back for the win. The pistons are another team that even when they get most of the calls, they complain the whole game. Webber had a pretty blatant offensive foul, but they let them play. Gordon still had a nice open look. We can beat this Pistons team at home for sure, on the road its touch and go.

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Feb 25, 2007 -> 02:01 PM) Yes, it is worth "crying" over. It was a major part of the tradition at this institution, sorry that you've never been a part of something like this. Wrong. Im not sorry, I really dont think its that great. As far as being part of a tradition at a University, mine was founded in 1809, there were plenty I took part in. As far as the fact that im wrong. Heres a PDF that can show you who is actually wrong in this case. You might want to start posting informed opinions, instead of just typing. http://www.nah.uiuc.edu/faculty/tyeeme/doc..._resolution.pdf Heres another link showing the illiniwek descendants opposing the Chief. http://www.retirethechief.org/Dialogue/haney.html if you can come up with something more recent that says that they supported the Chief, feel free to post it.

Seriously, is it worth crying that much after the fact? Great points for someone's opinion that doesnt matter in this case. You are lucky that you at least get to keep your team names at this point and only lost a 5 min halftime show. Comparing the Chief to other things like a celebrity is pointless and a real stretch. The people of the race that the Chief and the University is named after didnt want the Chief anymore in its current state. The University chose to fight instead of make changes or work with the tribe to fulfill their requests. If there is anyone you should be upset with its your school administration, or you can be mad at the Peoria tribe that told them to lose the Chief. As for re-naming the Chief and letting him continue to dance. Yeah maybe it could have worked, maybe there could have been a loophole, but take a look at the long list of schools I posted that had to change their names regardless of any connection to a certain tribe. It has been deemed inappropriate in college athletics to have mascots appearing as Indians in any way shape or form. The only way that they have overlooked it in certain circumstances was due to the support of a tribe. If you dont have that support, you dont have that mascot, so even that path is closed to you. Im sorry that things end, but the times change, and having a Native American Mascot is something of the past these days, and thats how it is.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Feb 23, 2007 -> 11:04 PM) Just started watching Season 1. I'm digging it. I hope you know what you are getting yourself into.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 24, 2007 -> 02:23 AM) Andres Nocioni on his best day is about as good as Deng on his worst day, maybe. Trading Deng for Gasol would have been monumentally dumb, if Deng is going Garnett better be coming. Also, nice win tonight vs. the Wiz. Deng went off again. The kid never ceases to amaze me at some of the little things he does like offensive rebounding and making the extra pass.

Luol Deng>Gasol Ive been saying it since the beginning. The kid is 21 and has the same numbers, give him some years and we'll see a star.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 23, 2007 -> 10:16 AM) Today is the annual IT groups, block tickets.com and irritate cub fans day. Awesome, I forgot about that.

QUOTE(maggliopipe @ Feb 23, 2007 -> 09:44 AM) Is this really that abnormal? It's gross and all, and I'm glad I don't have to see it, but I'm sure most restaurants have intermittent problems with rodents. Then again I'm a Taco Bell apologist. Not only in NYC which is overrun by rats, but if anyone eats up in Lincoln Park or lakeview frequently, the area is the one of the heaviest infestation of rats in the state. There is a huge problem with rats in populated areas in chicago and im sure that includes the basement of restaurants that are much nicer than Taco Bell. In addition, NYC is a rat paradise because they just toss their trash out on the streets in piles.

QUOTE(thedoctor @ Feb 23, 2007 -> 11:20 AM) i'm reserving judgment until the tournament. other than their win over kentucky in hawaii they really haven't beaten a good team. based on talent, I think they are very good.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Feb 23, 2007 -> 08:13 AM) I'm shocked. You seemed to be as big a fan of XM as I am of Sirius. Its satellite radio, I don't think the indoor reception will ever be better than AM/FM. The Sirius Stiletto is cool because you can stream music from the web, via wifi. I've used it and its pretty good. And I get reception in about 50% of my gym, and when I go to the back of the gym, I switch to the recorded content I have. anyway, you are done and I understand. yeah, im a huge fan. I only commute 10 min now so it wasnt worth it, but most likely i will start it back up in the summer on my boat, which is the most useful installation i have had to date.

memphis is good, that is all.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 22, 2007 -> 06:26 PM) What bet is that? exactly. 2 tickets to a sox game work for ya?

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 22, 2007 -> 05:59 PM) Let's hear from the Would you listen? All of the schools native american clubs which consist of students have been against the Chief since the 90's. They voiced their opinion, did you pay attention?

How about we attack that list I posted one by one Alcorn State-new logo new name been braves since 1871 Bradley University-Still searching for new mascot as of Feb 2 2007 had bobcat Chowan College-now Hawks Central Michigan-due to relationship with tribe keeps mascot Utah-keeps mascot due to relationship with tribe Carthage-2005, Oct. 10 – Carthage College changes from Redmen to Red Men. NCAA removes them from list. Miss College-keep choctaws based on tribal support North Dakota-still in legal battle etc etc etc, im bored of doing this. There is NO consistency, but it could be much worse. Here is a nice list of what some schools had to become 969, Oct. 12 – Dartmouth College, originally founded to educate American Indians, changes from the Indians to Big Green. 1971 – Marquette University (WI) abolishes Willie Wampum mascot. 1971 – Mankato State College (Minn) drops Indian caricature mascot. 1972, March 2 – Stanford University changes from Indians to Cardinal and drops Prince Lightfoot mascot. 1972 – Dickinson State University (ND) changes from Savages to Blue Hawks. 1973 – University of Oklahoma drops Little Red mascot. 1973 -- Eastern Washington University changes from Savages to the Eagles. 1978 – Syracuse University (NY) drops Saltine Warrior mascot. 1980 – Southern Oregon State University drops Red Raiders motif. 1987-88 – St. John’s University (NY) drops caricature logo and mascot. 1988 – Siena College (NY) changes from Indians to Saints. 1988 – Saint Mary’s College (Minn) changes from Red Men to Cardinals. 1989 – Montclair State College (NJ) drops nickname and mascot. 1989, Oct. 13 – Bradley University (IL) drops mascot and replaces Indian caricature logo. 1991, Feb. – Eastern Michigan University changes from Hurons to Eagles on recommendation of a state civil rights commission. 1992 – Naperville Central High School (IL) drops nickname Redskins. 1992 -- Simpson College (IA) changes from Redmen to Storm. 1993 – Arkansas State University drops Runnin’ Joe mascot. 1993 - Arvada High School (CO) changes from Redskins to Reds. 1993, April 9 – University of Wisconsin passes a resolution refusing to play non-conference games against teams with Indian nicknames. 1993, Nov. 2 – Bradley University (IL) adopts Bobcats mascot and drops all Indian references in its logo, but keeps nickname Braves. 1994, April – University of Iowa bans the University of Illinois mascot, Chief Illiniwek and announces it won’t schedule games with teams with Indian mascots. 1994, May 2 – Juanita College (PA) changes from Indians to Eagles. According to committee chair Charles C. Brown, Jr., “the utilization of a cultural stereotype as a mascot is inconsistent with the educational mission of the college.” 1994, May 3 – Marquette University (WI) changes from Warriors to Golden Eagles. 1994, June 6 – St. John’s University (NY) changes from Redmen to Red Storm. 1994, Dec. 8 – University of Southern Colorado drops Indian mascot after 57 years. 1994 (?) – Montclair State College (NJ) changes from Indians to Red Hawks, 1996, March 31 – Newton High School (Conn) announces they will drop their Indian mascot. 1996, July 3 – University of Tennessee-Chattanooga drops mascot, Chief Moccanooga. 1996, Sept. 26 – Miami of Ohio University votes 7-1 to drop nickname Redskins after being used for 68 years. 1997 -- Marist High School (IL) changed from Redskins to Redhawks. 1998, March 20 – Yakima Valley Community College (WA) drops Indian nickname. 1998, April 7 – Federal judge in Los Angeles upholds district policy banning Indian mascots at all of its schools. 1998, April 22 – Southern Nazarene University (OK) changes from Redskins to Crimson Storm. According to the school’s president “with the increased attention in the country to do it, we just did not want to be the last to make a change, and I feel eventually most schools with that kind of mascot or nickname will do.” 1999. March 5 – Indiana University of Pennsylvania announces it will retain nickname Indians, but change mascot to a black bear. 1999, March 5 – Erwin High School, Asheville, NC discontinues calling girl’s teams Squaws, but retains Warriors nickname. 1999 – Since 1991, 25 Wisconsin schools have eliminated Indian mascots or nicknames; 43 remain. 1999, June – Seattle University (WA) changes from Chieftains to Redhawks and drops its Indian head logo. 2000, Sept. 22 – Scarborough (Maine) High School drops nickname Redskins. 2000, Oct. 17 – Niles West High School (IL) drops nickname Indians. 2001, May 10 – Southwestern College (CA) changes mascot from Apache to Jaguar. 2001. May 21 – Woonsocket High School (SD) votes to drop Redmen nickname and mascot by 3-2 board vote. 2001. May 25 - San Diego State University (CA) drops Montey Montezuma mascot. 2001. May 27 – Parsippany High School (NJ) changes from Redskins to Redhawks. 2001, June 10 – Saranac Lake High School (NY) changes from Redskins to Red Storm by 6-1 school board vote. 2001, June 13 – Canastota High School (NY) drops Indian mascot by 6-0 board vote. 2001, June 20 – Ball-Chatham school board (IL) votes 5-2 to get rid of Indian mascots and nicknames in district schools. Chatham Glenwood High School changes to Titans from Redskins, and Glenwood Junior High no longer Braves. 2001, July 11 --West Seattle High School (WA) drops nickname Indians. 2001, July 19 – Georgetown High School (SC) drops Waccamaw Warriors symbol. 2001, July 25 – Maryland State School Board passes resolution opposing Indian mascots by 10-2 vote. 2001, August – Bloomington High School (IL) drops Red Raiders nickname. 2001, August 15 – Colgate University drops word “Red” from “Red Raiders” nickname. 2001, August 29 -- Montgomery School Board (Maryland), largest school system in the state, bans Indian mascots, logos, and nicknames by 7-1 vote. Included is Poolesville High School, which was the Indians. Montgomery Village Middle School had voluntarily stopped using the nickname Warriors. 2002, Feb. 25 – Milford High School (MI) drops Redskins. 2004, July 6 – Ottawa Hills High School (MI) drops Indian mascot. 2004, July 12 – Rice Memorial High School (VT) retires “Little Indian” mascot. 2004, Nov. 8 – Southeast Missouri State changes from Indians to Redhawks. 2005, Sept. 23 – Old Town High School (Maine) drops Indian nickname. 2005, Oct. 10 – Carthage College changes from Redmen to Red Men. NCAA removes them from list. 2005, Oct. 10 – Midwestern State University drops Indians. NCAA removes them from list. 2006, Jan. 8 – West Georgia University changes from Braves to Wolves. 2006, Jan. 20 – Southeastern Oklahoma State University changes from Savages to Savage Storm. 2006, Jan. 26 – Chowan College (NC) drops Braves nickname and mascot. 2006. Jan. 30 – Muscatine Community College (Iowa) drops Indians nickname and mascot. 2006, March 23 – Kelseyville High School (CA) drops “Indians” nickname, and Mountain Vista Middle School (CA) drops “Braves” nickname. 2006, April 8 – University of Louisiana-Monroe changes from Indians to Warhawks after being one of 18 schools on the NCAA list. References to the campus as “the Reservation” also stopped. 2006, Oct. 10 – College of William and Mary (VA) announces it will remove two feathers from its logo to compile with NCAA rule. 2006, Oct. 20 – Tomah (WI) School Board drops Indian mascot and logo by 4-1 board vote. 2006, Nov. 12 – Newberry College (SC) drops Indian nickname. NCAA removes them from banned list. 2006, Dec. 14 – Ypsilanti High School (MI) drops nickname Braves on a 4-3 board vote. 2007, Jan. 19 – Salesian High School (CA) changes from Chieftains to Pride. 2007, Feb. 17 -- the University of Illinois Board of Trustees announces it will remove Chief Illiniwek from performing at athletic events after Feb. 21, 2007.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 22, 2007 -> 05:38 PM) Absolutely no doubt in my mind that this statement is accurate. When the best the News networks can do for a source on the matter is a University of Illinois professor with a last name ending in -stein, I think it becomes very easy for those of us criticizing the authenticity of the majority of those aligned with the Anti-Chief camp to be considered validated. I also wonder if said majority would champion an Anti-Seminole cause if the University hasn't reached an "agreement" with the tribe in years past. Duh, less than 1 percent of all students at U of I are native american, its simple numbers game. Of course the only people's opinions that matter in this issue are the Peoria Tribe, which makes the numbers of people on both sides pretty moot. FWIW, i see alot of people trying to attack FSU as their only fram of reference. There are plenty of other schools that have kept their name the same way that FSU has and the opposite of what U of I did. The following teams face the NCAA ban: Alcorn State University, Bradley University, Chowan College (Braves); Central Michigan University (Chippewas); University of Utah (Utes); Carthage College (Redmen); University of Illinois-Champaign (Illini); Mississippi College (Choctaws); University of North Dakota (Fighting Sioux) Southeastern Oklahoma State University (Savages); Catawba College, Midwestern State University, Indiana University-Pennsylvania, Arkansas State University, University of Louisiana-Monroe; McMurry University, Newberry College (Indians);

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 22, 2007 -> 05:14 PM) That is definitely a great tradition. Especially when they have special guests dot the "i." There are great traditions everywhere. I remember talking to people from other colleges at U of I games saying how cool the Chief was. And there was never booing coming from the opponents section, at least not that I ever heard, during halftime. I guess my problem isn't really with the Native Americans or anyone who opposed it, it's with the NCAA...Greg Couch said it best today: Just be consistent. I agree that they should be consistent. But consistency is alot worse than just banning the Chief. How many schools were forced to change their nicknames all together? U of I could easily be the university of Illinois Orange Krush or something like that, I would be grateful that they at least let them keep that name. Out of the 40 schools they originally went after, I believe only 3 or 4 actually still keep their original mascot name, let alone the halftime show.