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QUOTE(soxwon @ Dec 26, 2006 -> 06:35 PM) the sox are loaded for 07 and you might not like it now, but 2-3 years the sox will be the most sought after team for deals because kw stockpiled pitchers. in 3 years i see our rotation as lance broadway ray liotta andy sisco john danks gavin floyd charlie haeger if this comes to frutation, KW will be looked upon as the best GM in the game bar none. Ray Liotta took a huge step back, I wouldnt put him in that rotation at all.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 26, 2006 -> 12:32 AM) BMac will definitley be an allstar if not this year, then next year. Wow, just wow. This is the picture perfect post of Sox fans overrating BMAC.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Dec 25, 2006 -> 11:53 PM) I never was a huge fan of B-Macs. Its not that he does not have the talent, its just that none of his stuff wows you. So B-Macs ability will be almost entirely dependent on how is mental game progresses and how well he can work batters. I read some one say that B-Mac will outperform Vaz, I really do not think thats likely. I was and I am a very big fan of BMAC. In fact I pointed him out when he was in A ball, and loved when he finally made the debut with the big team. With that said, Danks excites me much more. It is said that he has a dominating changeup to go with his plus curve and fastball. I LOVE the idea of watching us trot out a LHP with nice heat, a dominating changeup and a knee buckling curve. Up until this trade, we never really had a possible future ACE in our system. Now we have a possible #1, a #2, and maybe a #3 in our system right now. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

Danks supposedly has a better curve, fastball, and his best pitch is his changeup, im pretty happy about that.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Dec 25, 2006 -> 11:44 PM) In the past year, without any changes to the regular lineup, we went from World Series favorites to a team with lots of holes. We got rid of a pitcher with a 4.53 ERA. Damn. Our bullpen should be better IMO, and the SP's should move back towards what they should be able to do.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Dec 25, 2006 -> 09:36 PM) The guys that run the Lone Star Ball blog have exactly the opposite take on the trade: I'm curious, have you seen Danks pitch? I haven't -- all I have seen are his minor league numbers, which aren't any better than McCarthy's. I agree that Brandon's stuff doesn't make anyone think of Clemens. But I think he could perform like Radke. I have no idea what Danks will do. But he's not prospect at level of Hughes or someone like that. So you based your opinions of the trade on a blog by a rangers fan? Im not sure I should even respond to such foolishness. Numbers are numbers, but Danks has been the youngest guy in the league every step of the way. Last year in AAA he was the youngest pitcher in the league, struggled to begin with and then dominated, the same pattern he has developed his whole career. You will be hard pressed to find ANY baseball experts that think that BMAC projects as more towards the front of the rotation than Danks. If you would find me a source, other than a blog, that states that fact, I will gladly retract.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 02:19 AM) I think anybody with a brain thinks we coulda got more for BMac. I appreciate the logic but wouldn't yu all agree with me on that? That makes this a bad trade. Actually alot of people, especially experts have thought that BMAC wasnt worth Danks and Masset, so im not sure who doesnt have a brain in your scenario.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 25, 2006 -> 06:54 PM) I'm glad to see the Cowboys getting their asses handed to them not just because they're a mediocre team that's been getting a ridiculous amount of media love but because Garcia's a class act and it's nice to see his team beat T.O.'s. But, but, but, they have the leagues "best" front 7!!!!!!

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 25, 2006 -> 09:33 AM) It's all about potential for potential. Both of the major players in this trade have the potential to be #1 Aces in most MLB lineups. I disagree, I never have thought BMAC had to potential to be an ACE, he looks like a #3 to me, whilst Danks has the abiltiy to be a #1.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 12:26 AM) BTW, I kind of feel like I'm one of like seven people excited by Danks. Have other people just not heard of him? Oh Im pumped. I think he could be a legit #1 type of guy, which we havent really had with the exception of Contreras as some points. And I think Masset could end up being your right handed set up guy soon. He is another high-90's power guy. It hurts right now, and I really hope something happens in the near future to put an established guy in the 5th spot, but I really like the quiver of arms we have now, at a very young age.

He ranks Samardja on the same level as Broadway, Haeger, Cunningham, and KMC

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) Phillips isn't a really big prospect, and Masset is a BP arm. His value went up when we switched to the BP and is being called a set up man of the future.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 12:06 AM) I think it is completely ridiculous to say that ANY of the pitchers in line to replace BMac would have done that. Those are the numbers of an average #3 starter in the AL. It is crazy to think that any of those pitchers (the vast majority of which appear to be not at all major league ready) can pull off #3 starter numbers in their first major league season. One should expect #5 starter numbers, and one can hope that they aren't horrible #5 starter numbers. Any honest fan should expect a major downgrade in Garcia's rotation spot in 2007. I agree with you, it would be a huge surprise for them to pitch at that level. With that said, the key would be for our remaining guys to get their collective heads out of their asses this year to make up for the downgrade int he rotation spot.

QUOTE(scotty22hotty @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:59 PM) Way to F up the team AGAIN Kenny 3rd place here we come Apparently everyone is forgeting Minny's rotation woes are much worse than ours. Liriano and Radke are both gone. They will be harder to replace than Garcia and BMAC. Roto John Danks is the prime piece in the deal for the White Sox, but Masset, 24, is far more likely to help next season. A move to the pen has sent his stock soaring as a prospect, and it shouldn't be long before he settles in as a quality setup man. Before coming home from Mexico, he had 15 saves and a 22/2 K/BB ratio in 20 2/3 innings this winter.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 11:20 PM) Can't wait for the deadline to roll around when we're 8 games back...Let the minor leaguers start rolling in then. I didnt know that BMAC was the key to us being in the playoff hunt.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 04:33 PM) exactly if we could have gotten Danks for Anderson why didn't we just do that instead? Hahaha, I had a great laugh with this trade scenario.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) So in their two meaningful games, OSU has allowed 180+ points. Ouch. two meaningful games? Or two tough games on the road? They are a young team, obviously they need time to gel, especially with Oden coming back with one hand.

QUOTE(bulokis @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:22 PM) McCarthy should be anchoring that rotation. I wouldnt say BMAC would anchor any rotation in the future, he really doesnt project to be a #1 guy, and I have said that before we traded him.

Noah reminds me of Tyson Chandler for some reason, over-active, flailing.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:15 PM) I really enjoy having two of the top five left-handed pitching prospects in our system now, but I'm still very uneasy about 2007 at this point in time. We should be uneasy. Its nice to stock up on extremely touted pitchers, but what the hell are we doing for THIS year. Either there is something in the works soon, or we are just trying to make sure we stay somewhat competitive for the next couple of years.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:07 PM) Didn't you say Mac and Danks are pretty much equal? We got Danks, Masset and another prospect back. Who's to say we couldn't trade that to Tampa? I would say, talent-wise Danks is valued a little higher, especially since he is a lefty.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) You're assuming that they develop, and also if they do develop, how long will they be here for before they restock again ? Hence the word "could"

QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 03:04 PM) Would definitely be young and cheap. Danks is said to have #1 starter potential. Gio is supposed to be that talented as well.

Even though this trade kina blows for this year. Our rotation could be young, cheap and filthy in the next few years. 1. Danks 2. Gio 3. Floyd 4. Broadway 5. Haeger

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) If the Sox were putting McCarthy on the table, Tampa would have listened. I can guarantee that for a fact. They were going to ask for more prospects also. I was not aware you had so much inside information in the inner dealings of MLB GM's.