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I actually like Riske in the mop up role. We need someone to take the load off of some of the more important bullpen arms.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) It does remind of strep, as some of the symptoms went away, I figured and hoped that it was strep rather than mono. How does Strep spread? It's not like I'm breathing or sucking on somebody. For the most part I've been in my bed.. I hope I haven't spread it to anybody. As for going to the doctor, I'm going to wait one more day. It says that if the sore throat lasts for two days, then I should go to the doctor. If it's still super sore tommorow, that will be the first thing on my agenda. As for tonight, OTC medicine and rest.. the Bulls game as well.. Thanks guys! I would go to the doctor, strep sucks, and it lingers if you do not treat it. 3-5 pills of z-pack or other type anti and you should feel great in 24 hours.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 11:48 AM) Easily treated, but sucks for the many folks he likely infected if that's what it is. Oh yeah, strep sucks bad. I get it twice a year every year. Z-pack that stuff and it goes away.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) Does anyone know if because my fever, headache, and overall soreness is gone, that it might be just a bad sore throat or something? That's really the only symptom I'm having, although it's bad enough to the point where It's tough to swallow or eat anything outside of apple sauce and water. SOunds like a text book case of strep to me.

Melissa Bean has a pretty hot daughter.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 09:32 AM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...c=44311&hl= Thanks, I think everyone can read that thread for themselves, but I dont see too many people up in arms about losing Viz, Duque or even Young. Of course Flash was up in arms that we didnt trade Garland instead of Duque and Viz.... Interesting read on the different perspectives coming off a championship trying to repeat, and now where everyone wants to second guess what happened this season. BTW SS2K5 with somewhat of an accurate position. ust a few thoughts here after reading all 59 pages... #1 Vazquez+Cooper=Contreras. There is something they see in Vazquez they think they can fix. They obvious told Ozzie to feel the kid out and check out his mental state. Obviously Ozzie likes what he said, because he is a White Sox now. #2 I get the feeling one of the starters has some kind of an injury, and I get the feeling it is Garcia. I have no real evidence, just Kenny worrynig about Garcia being tired, and then aquiring another starter. #3 Maybe a little bit of thinking outside the box might be necesary here... If Jenks fails as a closer, remember that the Sox originally were looking at aquiring Contreras to be a closer. That would slide Bmac into the rotation to be the #5, and no bullpen arm is needed. #4 I love Kenny Williams. Not only is he looking at 2006, he is looking at 2007 and 2008 and what inflation has done to the pitching market. He is buying the guys in rookie ball and A ball two years to get ready for the majors instead of forcing them quicker than they need to go. He just dealt a starting pitcher we didn't want, the last reliever out of our pen, and a prospect in a position where we feel we have two other major league ready players at for a top of the rotation starter... AND got Arizona to pick up some contract. KW for Exec of the year 2006. it also turns out that I was against the trade initially.

Everyone sees so clearly now. I wonder where the thread is when KW made the trade for Vaz.........

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 09:05 PM) Vizcaino became more valuable because of his second half with his 2.60 ERA, 1.27 WHIP in 27.2 IP. Ozzie got smart and realized that Viz got shelled after he had already been out there, and thus he limited the number of innings he was in. He had a rocky September, putting up a 1.77 WHIP, but he didn't allow the runs to score, and the guys behind him didn't either. I also am not entirely sure if Duque would have gotten hurt coming out of relief. It seemed to be the number of innings he put on his arm is what hurt him the most, and that would have limited the innings he put on it. Also I recall several people questioning the move the second it was made, especially with McCarthy already in the fold and Duque in the pen as a swingman. Viz lost innings because he wasnt as effective and Ozzie only used him sparingly because of how bad he was when he was outt there in pressure situations. Gas-can Vizcaino needed to go and we all knew that.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) beat me to the punch.. I'm too lazy to dig through all the crap that comes up on Google when you type "britney spears" into the search, but I seem to recall saying she was a dumb b**** for not having one, among other things. I think there was one, but I cant recall. found it The couple have finally filed their marriage license in Los Angeles. Although they married on September 18, the paper's were not filed because the negotiation for Federline's pre-nuptial agreement was finalized. Under the agreement, Federline is reported to have a payment clause giving him $US300,000 a year continuing for half of their number of years they were married. Also under the agreement, Spears will take no responsibility for the welfare of Federline's two children should they divorce. More details: The only thing they will have to split is their Malibu mansion. They invested $7million in renovation and will split it 50/50. Any present valuable more than $10,000 ( not in jewelry), like his chopper that he got for Christmas last year, must have a document stating who will own them or will be split 50/50. Considering his spending habits, Federline will need spousal support. His payout $30,000 per month for a period of time equal to half of the length of his marriage.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) To you. Which is all that mattered to you before the season started. I prefer a team that stays competitive over the long haul. That's not to say the Sox won't be competitive without Young, but they'd be in a much better position going forward, and there's no denying that. I believe that a combination of McCarthy + El Duque (with Haeger potentially in the mix) could have given us what Vazquez gave the 2006 White Sox. You apparently don't feel the same way. I felt going into last year that McCarthy was ready to step into the rotation. I also think you'd be nuts to say you'd rather have Vazquez than all the cash + Chris Young going forward, although maybe you believe that Vazquez can return to his Montreal days, which I honestly can't call crazy. The stuff is there, as we all know, but it's now been three full seasons since Vazquez was anything better than average for a whole season. oooooooo, im not clever!!!! I think everyone who is a fan of the whitesox would have preferred to win the WS last year over being "competitive" for the next few years. Young would have spent the season in AAA which really isnt much of a value to a team that is a favorite to win it all. Vaz was easily our 2nd best pitcher all of this year, so im not sure that Haeger could have given us that much of an effort. Vaz only had 2 months with an ERA over 4.00, which is pretty damn good. I think he figured out alot about how to pitch in this league this year, and I expect a pretty decent year out of him this upcoming season. Hindsight is great and all, but the most valuable piece to the 2006 whitesox team was Vaz, much more than a player who would have spent the whole year in AAA. QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) Let's not act like trading for Vazquez allowed the Sox a security blanket with McCarthy moving to the bullpen. They traded Duque in the Vazquez deal. Had the deal not gone down, they still would have had Duque and Vizcaino in the bullpen, along with Young in AAA/MLB to go with McCarthy in the rotation. If both Duque and McCarthy were horrible 5th starters...which I would have found pretty hard to believe...then the Sox would have been in trouble, and probably would have had to make a deal for a starting pitcher at the deadline. With all the questions surrounding BA at this point, Young would look really nice waiting in the wings as a potential replacement. Yes, going forward for the next few years, it would have been nice to have a couple of AAA options, and a season with BMAC starting. But for 2006, the best plan was to do what we did. It didnt work out, but you cant honestly say that you werent pretty happy about replacing Viz, who we all hated in the pen and basically was worthless by the end of 2005, and Duque who had no business pitching in the AL at all this year, and was likely to get hurt anyway. From these two pieces we didnt really want, and a promising but unproven prospect we received a pitcher who has the ability to be an ACE Sp for our drive to repeat. Before the season started, it looked like a GREAT deal.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) Fixed. I dont even think there was lust there. I dont know what was there to tell you the truth.

Wow, I really thought that their love would prevail.....

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) Five years? Who says that it's going to take Chris Young is going to take five years to develop? There's a strong chance that this year, Chris Young is a more valuable player than Vazquez. Oh, plus the extra $18 million over the next two winters would've been nice to have, too. More valuable to whom? THIS year, which is all that mattered before the season started, Vaz was much more valuable than Chris Young. I know you would have really wanted his .386 SLG on this year's team and all, but I preferred the already established MLB pitcher.

I voted for the greek god of politics, because the tv told me I couldnt trust his opposition.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 01:51 PM) Oh, right, cause so long as for ONE year he gives us a better shot to win the WS, it's a good trade, right? Yikes... :banghead Uh yeah. 5 years down the line didnt mean as much to me as trying to repeat with the best team possible.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 12:54 PM) That's almost the same engine my dad built. They have a real one at the Union Train Museum. I'll post the pics when I get home. As a kid I really didnt appreciate the workmanship than went into these little trains, but as I have gotten olden, its hard not to appreciate how much work it takes to build one of those little things. The sucker must weight 25 lbs. I also have several other cars including the dairy car that drops off little milk jugs on command. Pretty sweet.

Mine is somewhat older though http://www.oldlioneltrains.com/1666.htm this is kinda like the model I have, circa 1940's-1950's

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) Waaay to expensive, IMO. Do they hold their value? Yes, mine has actually increased in value over the years. I have an old antique model, with all of the original boxes and figurines. It still runs well and continues to impress me with build quality.

who bats lead off? Who bats #2? Who plays LF when RHP is on the bump? Which is most of the time BTW. Too many if's

You should invest in a Lionel train that could be handed down for generations.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 09:38 AM) Being 6'6" sure helps too. With a huge wingspan and better penetration and passing ability. Duhon has to be expendable by now IMO.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 09:33 AM) So you advocated giving up Chris Young, a top ten prospect in all of baseball (probably top 30 heading into last offseason) for a project pitcher? Uh yeah. Who gave us the better chance to win the WS last year? A good SP who makes our rotation better, or a guy who would have spent most of the season in AAA?

Thabo is head and shoulders a more talented player than Duhon IMO.

I dont see how keeping our rotation and adding Vaz was a stupid move last offseason. Flash wants to trade players at peak value and stock our farm system, but how would that have helped us make a run at repeating last year at all? KW was shopping, but keeping the rotation together made just as much sense considering their talent and their affordability. Its getting pretty old talking about how the Sox should trade all of their established talent for these "sweet" prospects. We are not the twins, we have an actual payroll, and we do not need to stock the farm system at the expense of winning games.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 04:44 PM) That's not what Krush is talking about, though that is something we talked about. Basically the one thing we both thought was a very odd play call was the 3rd down call with about 3 or 4 minutes left in the game when you were up 14. Instead of running the ball and making Illinois use another timeout you guys threw it and allowed the Illini to keep a few timeouts. He did the same thing on the possession before as well. It was just odd to me to be throwing the ball with 3 minutes left and up 14. There was alot of strange play calling. I think in those situations he wanted to get a first down to run out even more clock. It seemed to me like Tressel had given the play calling over to someone else for the second half to somewhat appear different from his tendencies.