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QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) Well besides the fact that the Tigers gave up a lot we got a "tough cookie" to face next season. They have a pretty nice lineup. Sheffield doesnt scare me at this point for whatever reason. He isnt going to have the protection he had in that lineup, and he sure as hell is on the down swing in his career. You have to remember that he is 38 years old and is off the juice that kept him so good for many years.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) AF was saying that he thought (wasn't sure) they have to offer a contract with total value at least as large as the posting amount. If the posting amount is $40 mil, and Boras holds fast to a 3-year contract, that's $80 mil over 3 years, or roughly $27 mil per year. I was asking, if Boston insists on a 5-year deal (making the total $80 mil over 5, $16 mil per year), who blinks? I believe Boras only gets commission on the contract and not the posting amount. From his perspective he can then send Matz back to Japan for one year where he will have a clear shot at Free Agency and make another killing on that market.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) We're debating semantics, as determining who is a better pitching prospect is tough. But I thought I also read that there are some injury concerns with Sanchez. This isn't 100% certain, and I could be completely wrong, but I thought I read that. He is a pretty big guy; Baseballcube has him listed at 6'6, 230. My main point, though, was that Detroit is dealing from a surplus here, and I think it's reasonable to say that Sanchez is second behind Miller (reasonable, not concrete fact by any means). I'd take Miller because his college pedigree and dominance and his stuff as a lefty. But I do agree with you that this is quite the haul for New York. Agree, they are dealing from a point of strength which makes this hurt less for Detroit, but they are tying quite a bit of money up in an over the hill player, especially when the team basically has had one good season out of many, and has no guarantee of attendance figures again next year. Heres the stats BTW \ Sanchez, 23, was a combined 10-6 with a 2.53 ERA and 129 strikeouts in 123 innings with Triple-A Toledo and Double-A Erie this year. Whelan, 22, was 4-1 with a 2.67 ERA and 27 saves for Class A Lakeland. Claggett, 22, was 7-2 with an 0.91 ERA and 14 saves for Class A West Michigan.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) I dont think anyone wants Thome except us. Yeah, who would want one of the best hitters in the league????

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 03:27 PM) How so? Krisvky gave up Kearns for mediocre relievers, and what he thought was an "upgrade" at short in Royce Clayton. Sanchez isn't even Detroit's best pitching prospect. He's arguably their number three at the moment, behind Tata (Taja? something of the sort) and Miller. That also doesn't mention Ledezma who will most likely move into the rotation in the next two years. I'm not saying this is a bad deal for Detroit. Given the Yankees' situation, I think this was a pretty good job by Cashman. But Sheffield is still a very good offensive player when healthy. Sanchez was pretty damn good last year, I think he put up a sub 2 ERA in AA and sub 4 in AAA. I would say that would put him right up there as a top prospect.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 02:27 PM) I just can't imagine the Red Sox would be willing to pay $27 mil per. Suppose this info is true, and Boston insists on a 5 year, $40 mil contract. Does Selig annul the bid or does Boras challenge the posting rule in court? Huh??? They supposedly posted upwards of 40-45 million for matz. Which means he costs them that much even before he gets a contract. Boras has been saying that they want a 3 year deal so he can enter free agency again. I would expect Boras to at least get 11 million per year for 3 years. If that is correct we are talking about a 73 million dollar commitment over 3 years at a minimum for one player.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Given the Reds need for pitching, this deal easily takes the cake in my opinion. What irks you most about the trade?

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) Tigers like them former steroid users, don't they? No kidding, 2 huge poster children for cheating in baseball now on their roster. Not to mention they gave up Humberto who is a stud in the making.

Wow, on paper this looks like a horrible trade for the Tigers. You give up one of the best young arms in your system and EXTEND the contract of an oft-injured declining slugger with an attitude problem.

QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 01:45 PM) My understanding of this process (and I could be wrong) is that the Red Sox HAVE to match the amount paid to the Lions for the bargaining rights. That is, if they offer $40 mil for the negotiating rights, they have to offer a contract for at least 40 million. Now, that could be 13.3 mill a year for three years. (a deal Matusaka would probably take, but Boston would be hesitant to offer). It could also be a 1 million dollar deal for forty years... (a deal not likely to be taken by Matusaka). The Lions DO NOT have to take the highest bidder... Instead, they can take the bidder they think is most likely to be able to sign Matusaka. The catch is this: If Boston doesn't come to terms with Matusaka, then Boston gets their $40 Million dollar for negotiating rights back from the Lions. No other team could then buy his rights for another year. Thus, The red sox would have blocked an attempt by the evil empire to sign him. This is my understanding of the situation. I do not know if its right. The only other situation I might expect to see is Boston offering Matusaka a 5 year deal worth 40 million... Which he might actually take just to get this move over with. Then, Matusaka would effectively cost the Red Sox approximately 16 mill a year - which is very lucrative, but not necessarily completely insane (think Chan Ho Park). I agree with what you are saying, but Boras has come out and said he wants a 3 year deal which then allows Matz to move into Free agency again in the MLB which should be a more lucrative payday at that point. I can see the contract being 13.3 for 3 years, which will tie up almost 80 million dollars for one player over 3 years.

Im more worried about the screws holding his elbow together than his weight.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 01:26 PM) Why do you feel he needs to have the surgery when the rehab is just as effective? Because I do not believe that the rehab will be as effective. I have seen players do just rehab work only to revert to surgery eventually. From my own experience with herniated disks, I always felt like the rehab work was a temporary solution.

this guy is going to cost them over 70 million dollars to pitch for 3 years. Thats an unbeliveable amount for someone who will probably switch teams going into his prime in 3 years.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) Lets remember he played through this problems on route to a career season. But when the problem flared up, he experience somewhat of a drop off near the end of the season. I think this is bad news for Joe, he should have had surgery.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 10:22 AM) LOL, that's exactly my problem. I'm growing tired, yet I watch on the edge of my chair with anticipation every single week... The thing with Juliette being evil I don't trust. We all thought Ben was evil last season, but now we think he's good? It's seems a little too obvious that the writers want us to dislike Juliette. I need to know who the hell is Jacob!!!!!!

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 10:48 PM) There's now a real good chance we'll see Ohio State - Rutgers in the Nat'l Championship Game. If real good chance means no chance, then yes, you are right.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 12:20 PM) Supposedly Seattle pulled out of the posting bids, so they have 0 chance.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 04:31 PM) If you're going to use it while exercising the really high capacity ones (with hard drives) aren't exactly your best bet. The nano's with flash memory are better suited for that. I don't care what anyone says, its a hard drive and if the heads hit the platter its a goner. True. I use a mini for working out mostly, and I have dropped it several times etc and it works just fine. I would go for a lower end model if that is your main focus. Those high end video ipods just arent designed for the wear and tear.

I dont agree, based on his age mostly. Lead off men tend to fade right about where Roberts is, not to mention the pitching in our division was ALOT tougher than what he faced last year.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) I don't see why they would increase it at all, especially if they're going to trade away Freddy's $10 million salary. Many of the season-ticket holders from this season were people who begrudgingly bought the packages so they could purchase playoff tickets last season. I expect that the majority of those people will not renew. If they're going to draw less at the gate this season, Reinsdorf & Co. might be less willing to spend $100 million plus on salary. too much assuming, there is a waiting list for season tickets and they upped the prices a bit. Also they have new luxury boxes which will bring in more revenue. There is no reason to think that the attendance will effect the payroll in a negative way at all.

My guess is Seattle.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 07:33 PM) Liriano, Baker, Bonser, and Garza say hi. Did you really think that was a good comparison? We dont have anyone that touches Santana, and Liriano would be our Ace. QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 9, 2006 -> 01:45 AM) The Sox would have 3 good starters(3 of the 5 would be good, and I think you can pretty much count on that), along with a better offensive club due to the freed money as well as a deeper and more reliable bullpen...I think it'd help us. Now, if you're not getting Pelfrey, then you can't trade 2 starters. So basically what I'm saying is that 2 starters really won't be traded. Our pitching needs to improve, not our offense. 2006 should have taught you how much more important pitching is.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) It all depends on what you get with that extra starter you trade and $20 million freed up. If that turns into long term deals for Crede, Buehrle, Iguchi, and, oh let's say Soriano, and you turn both of those starting pitchers into something dynamite (Say you get Pelfrey, IIRC you were the one who loved him) plus a couple of other solid position player prospects...that puts you in a damn good spot for a long, long time. How does that help us next year? If we have 2 rookies starting in our rotation, we are in 3rd place no matter how many runs we score.

It looked to me like she was kidding.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 01:56 PM) And that man goes by the name of Chuck. I've already voiced my distain for having a knuckler in a relief role. I dont like walks with men on, and I HATE giving up free stolen bases. Unless Stewart is catching, the runners will all have free bases.