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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) So what are you leaning towards? It all depends on my MRI results and where the tear is and how big it is. If its something that requires surgery either to repair or remove, I have to do it just to make sure it doesnt happen again. Its its a small tear and I can rehab for a month, I'll do that.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:42 AM) Dwight Howard told NBA.com that he will definitely become a free agent rather than sign an extension with Orlando. Howard expressed his desire to stay in Orlando, but stressed the importance that he wants to see the team win a championship before putting pen to paper and signing an extension to remain with the team. That means he'll opt out of the final year of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent after next season. Similar to the LeBron James in Cleveland situation, the pressure is now on the Magic to deliver Howard the players he needs. Wow. Clear f***ing cap space Gar, this is the one player you need to add if you want a title.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) Guys like Elgin Baylor were pulling down 15+ rebounds per game back then. You can't use stats to compare modern players to players from the 60's. Otherwise Wilt > Jordan and it's not even close. Bill Russell was a terribly inefficient offensive player. Yes, he revolutionized the game defensively. But was he really better than Ben Wallce when he was racking up all those DPOYs and spearheading some of the great defenses of all-time? Basketball reference has pace adjusted metrics. And the difference between the two is negligible at best. Can you post those please. I would like to see what you are looking at to support that he is 1. Inefficient and 2. The same player as Ben Wallace

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:04 AM) And what about to rehab? 1-2 months they say depending on the tear.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:15 AM) You summed up what I was about to say in roughly 1/20th the words. Thank you. As for the second part, pretty sure he was saying that about Russell. I'm not exactly a Russell fan and JFL is right about that era being a completely different pace, but you don't end up as the best player on a championship team 11 times by accident. He also won 5 MVP's in an era where everyone still hated black people, so that says something about the respect he had around the league. Check out Russell's playoff stats too. The guy was a monster.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) And defense. I think people underrate Bird more nowadays, I think the idea being that a white dude who never jumps could be dominant in different eras, but bird was dominant until his back gave out. People were saying s*** about him since he was in HS. Then he dropped out of Indiana to work for a few years, went back to school and took a no-talent Indiana state team to the bring of an NCAA title. He was then drafted and the NBA talent was supposed to make his game disappear when all he did was dominated and win titles. His game translates to any era. Fundamentals, effort and desire.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:12 AM) I was referring to Bill Russell. Well, then take possessions out of my Bird argument as there you go. Bird did almost everything better than Dirk.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) At least offer a legitimate rebuttal. What does Bird do better than Dirk other than pass? Seriously. And Bill Russell is overrated, IMO. He was basically a slightly better version of prime Ben Wallace. Don't look at the stats. There were something like 35 more possessions per game back then. Skillset wise they were pretty similar. Lets see. We cant use stats? Then how would we compare? There has to be some correlation you can make to prove that a guy who's best year ever wasnt as good as the others guys worst season. Because Russell's worst rebounding year was 18.6, and Wallace's best was 15.4. Russell avg'ed 22.5 with 15 points. Wallace avg'ed 6 and 10.

Dirk is more durable though, which will help him out. Larry lost his whole 32 year old season which Dirk just played. Larry's back wouldnt let him play as long as he could of.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) At least offer a legitimate rebuttal. What does Bird do better than Dirk other than pass? Seriously. And Bill Russell is overrated, IMO. He was basically a slightly better version of prime Ben Wallace. Don't look at the stats. There were something like 35 more possessions per game back then. Skillset wise they were pretty similar. Technically rebounding, scoring, passing, shooting accuracy, and steals. Oh and winning. Larry took 2 more shots per game from the field, and took 1 less from 3. So your possession argument isnt all that great.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 10:54 AM) What are the respective recovery times? 3-4 months if repaired surgically to recover 100% activity. By that point I will be the crabbiest motherf***er to ever live

Wow this thread blew up with tremendously long posts. Cubs still suck.

Tomorrow is decision day on my knee, surgery or rehab, we'll see which direction we go. I've modified my workouts to be extremely upper body heavy with some core thrown in, still sucks I cant really do my workouts fully.

Its kind of a nice story that this is the first championship for every member of the Mavs. I like that alot.

I got a nice Movado and I like it. I work with alot of people that wear Rolex watches, but I feel like I'll get f***ing robbed with it on the train or bus.

There are only threads when its such a "devastating loss" for the team with "no balls" that would surely drop the next two to Cy Gio and this other schmuck.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) J4l and I may have our differences, but on this one we are in complete agreement. Pierre right now just does not bring anything consistently to the table, and while I am not sure if Lilli can play this well an entire season, you have to give the guy a chance because he has earned it. I agree, but I also think Lilli should be spelling Gordo now and again, especially against good fastball pitchers. It should be easy to find Lilli 3-4 games per week you would think

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 07:07 AM) Lillibridge is right handed, and came up as a shortstop, and plays a killer outfield, and played 2B last year, and is a motherf***ing pimp. He can only do 3 of those things at the same time. OZZIE, YOU f***ING CHOOSE He cant play an everyday SS in the majors. However, I dont understand why nobody is clamoring for him to replace Gordo at 2B. He's clearly a better hitter than Beckham at this point.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:40 PM) That's bulls***. greg is refreshing. Why can't he choose, like me, NOT to give this team the benefit of the doubt whenever they choke on their own blood? This team doesn't deserve that. There's no recent history of this team overcoming adversity. This is a terrible loss and could definitely send them into a downward spiral. Nothing negative is ever refreshing. Negative attitudes and energy are a disease, a virus.

Shack, youre suck a f***ing jinx.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) This board has some of the more patient people in the world. Wish my business accepted failure like you guys do. Heads would have rolled in the real world by now. This team is a joke. A total joke. 30 percent success as a hitter is considered great. Thats a 70 percent failure rate. This team will lose almost half of its games, thats 50 percent. Your sales people are probably successful about somewhere in between, and I'm sure its tolerated. Nice correlation though.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:24 PM) Even if we get the next two it doesn't make up for letting wins get away from us that were in the bag...it is not like we are coming from a position of strength they need to win these games to get back into the race. And yes the offense should have put more on the board but it really doesn't matter we gave up 4 runs in the ninth with only two hits against a bunch of .230 hitters and a call up, and a team that had lost 10 in a row and was defeated... So you fully expected a sweep?

On the plus side, only a bad loss brings out 94 users in a game thread.

Bad beat, whatever. Get the next two, easily.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) You can't start 11-22, lose games like this, and make the playoffs. That's why starting 11-22 almost always leads to an October at home, there's no margin for error. When you start like a major league team, then an occasional loss like this can be absorbed. But with the start this team had, every single loss like this is a major step closer towards the teams typical failed season that ends after 162. How many games did we lose in the standings tonight?